Is there a question one could ask etc... to determine if a being was realized.

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Is there a question one could ask etc... to determine if a being was

realized.

 

if there were a question you could ask an enlightened being that

would determine whether or not he or she was in fact realized, this

would be a question only someone seeking a master (given that there

are many con-artists about) would ask......

 

in order to assess his or her suitability as a teacher/guru.... any

answer you got would (in order for you to accept the answer) have to

match a pre-conception or picture you would have of how such a person

should act or answer or speak etc... in short he would match your

egos idea of the master which would of course be totally wrong

 

if there were a question you could ask an enlightened being that

would determine whether or not he or she was in fact realized, then

you yourself would also have to be realized in order to be able to

properly assess his or her answer... on the other hand if you were

enlightened you would not ask, because you would know it does not

matter.

 

The state of, and the description of the masters consciousness is

beyond compare, if a seeker had a picture or idea against which to

match or compare the master , then that seeker would himself be

enlightened and his seeking would be over

 

because the picture of enlightenment is not a reflection such as an

ego idea. IN the case of the master the reflection is no more - the

picture is and matches that master. SO that any comparison is

impossible.

 

However If a seeker had an image in his or her mind of exactly what

an enlightened being was, he would see only The Self you see - if

this was the case the seeking would be over because The seeker would

Know There is But ONE conscious Being.... he (the seeker) would not

exist in that case.

 

so the question would answer itself or the answer would be

unacceptable to the seeker due to the pre-conception held onto by the

ego to which that ego would compare the answer....

 

in short, if the answer did not allow the ego to exist, then the ego

asking the question would refuse to accept it due to clinging to the

image he has of how things should be etc....

 

after all if the ego was no more then who or what would compare what

to what? Hari Om

 

someone asked is there a question one could ask etc... to determine

if a being was realized that is the answer to it

 

when we ask a question we have a preconception of the answer.

 

If we are prepared to let go of our erroneous position we may grow

if not then we will be bound

 

 

An error is something we hold onto... if we are clinging we are in

error because to cling is to exist as a clinger ( A clingon!)

ahahahhahaha

 

Yet many many teachers teach renunciation without understanding it

 

Renunciation is about acceptance in such a way as to let go of all

mental positions or possessions. i.e.

 

 

If we do not cling we do not exist, if we do cling - we exist

 

if i desire ....... i project one who will get what i desire....

 

if i own …. i will be one who owns.....

 

if i wish to exist as anything or being then i project an i...

 

if i seek enlightenment then i project an i who hopes to get it.

 

if i reside as a watcher of the process - i am a conceived of i

without form but an i none-the-less

 

if i subside and accept and allow and agree with everything as an

accepter of it then i am the receiver of it and still exist.

 

if i am what i receive and am what i project and am what i desire

all my problems dissolve in I - myself because the whole Cosmos

subsides into me along with all gods all realms all lokas, all astral

planes all beings - everything I manifested by fragmenting myself so

that "I" the jiva could exist - comes back into me.

 

Every being that comes near me, falls into me, because I do not

project an ego. On the other hand if I project an Ego this if of

course pushes them away from me

 

- it must so that it can exist .... push itself outward - so then to

renounce by rejecting the objective universe is a very, very grave

error which can only be the most incredibly hard thing there is,

because you are rejecting or pushing out what you manifested so the

you could be Jiva..

 

so you are trying to exist by not existing- how stupid!

 

all you have to do is accept your whole manifestation and allow it to

dissolve in you by not projecting an ego/jiva as self.

 

What occurs is this

 

Normally we look at the body and say "I" - or we say MY FEET

bypassing the body

 

in both cases it is Self Saying I and MY but the jiva thinks HE is

the one saying MY _ I etc....

 

How can that be if there is only one CONSCIOUS BEING?

 

All "I's" referred to in everyone are referred to by THE SELF - as

Myself

 

The Myself never appears, he is always the referrer.

 

He says IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII countless times, the same voice echoes in

all beings

it bounces around the mind and creates a reflected self called jiva.

who seems to think he has feet.

 

All feet are mine I The ONE CONSCIOUS BEING there are not many, there

is only I

 

All are fragments of my character, they exist because I chose to

fragment myself and become many jiva and say I in them.

 

When I realize myself again, the whole phantasmagorical display

resolves itself back into me and the cosmos is no more - I become

empty of form -

because i have realized myself OOMMM!

 

So then, let everything subside into your VERY SELF - which is Myself

 

Do not reject - Do not push - Do not project - Do not become.

 

Acceptance in this way is true renunciation and is very easy