Warwick/Adiji/ Rabi'a Basri - the Mystic - a sufi saint !

[Guest guest]

, "Harsha"

wrote:

> Dear Warwick:

>

> Thanks for sharing.

>

> In Jainism, there is a notion of Anekantavada (By the way,

Rajneesh was

> originally a Jain. My teacher knew him well and as I recall gave

him one of

> the first platforms in Bombay to speak to a large crowd).

Anekantavada

> implies multiple perspectives on Reality, each valid depending

on the

> location of the observer in the "Psychological Space".

>

> Your trips and path that took you through Rajneesh, Bazza,

Andrew Cohen was

> fruitful because now you know the knower as the self-knowing.

>

> It doesn't matter now if one or two or all three gurus you had

are/were full

> of crap and charlatans, does it?

>

> Maybe it does, I don't know. But what should we do here in the

Sangha about

> the problems of gurus and disciples?

>

> If they want to screw each other, that's their business, is it not?

Maybe

> not. Maybe its all our business. Maybe we should be writing

letters to

> someone.

>

> Now get rid of the judgments baby! :-). Oh, sorry, I have no right

to ask

> you that.

>

> Bring on more juicy stories then!

>

> Here is the real question. In this sangha we have former

students of

> Rajneesh, Saibaba, this swami and that swami and this living

divine mother

> and that living divine father and this living divine uncle, etc. So

> conversations will happen and there will be disagreements.

>

> I guess the bottom line is are you Warwick willing (and able) to

hug SamP

> and makeup. If not, what use is all this.

>

> At the end of the day, I don't care how enlightened you are. I

want to see

> you all hug each other.

>

> This is my sangha and I make the rules.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

 

 

lol...hugs all around Harsha. This bud's for everyone!

 

I like that old saying, "There, but for the Grace of God, go I."

 

Namaste,

Shawn

[Guest guest]

Ah Bobbyji

flattery will get you everywhere.

But I think you raised a good point.

Often I will write something

and I will be very unhappy with it

because it doesn't have the right flow.

Then, in trying to get the flow right,

I see that the meaning was not right.

Right flow (or, to use your better word, cadence,)

and right meaning reflect each other

Love

Warwick

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texasbg2000

Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:18 AM

Warwick/Adiji/ Re: Rabi'a Basri - the Mystic - a sufi saint !

, "Warwick Wakefield"

<formandsubstance@t...> wrote:Very nicely stated Sri Warwick Ji.It is

rare to find insight and experience coupled with the abilityto write

so well. Nothing that you wrote is obscure or ambiguous. The

sequence of the thoughts is well matched to the length and complexity

each idea, that is, the cadence is persuasive.You probably have a lot

more sense of enlightenment than you let on, even to yourself.

Ramana was quick to tell people that they just had to get rid of the

thought, "I am not realized!"But then he also said a particular

devotee would never become realized because he thought too much of

"others".At any rate I enjoyed your reply.LoveBobby G.

[Guest guest]

Hi Warwick,

In light of Harsha's dictate, consider yourself hugged : ).

 

Well, my story is that I am full of shit. and sometimes I can sing

pretty well.

 

I, I I, me, me, me my experiences, my teacher, my judgements, my

kids, (my laptop, and dont frigging touch it).

 

Yeah, I have stories, and will tell them if they seem significant or

timely. I am as enlightened as any Buddha.

 

in this moment

 

Went for a walk with a friend yesterday. We drove for 70 miles to get

to a brook that I loved the sound of. We made a digital recording of

the babbling of this brook. It is a small tributary of a river, and it

has a rocky bed. There is a bridge over it made of metal, with a mesh

floor that you can see through and other than the path the area is left

pretty naturalized. I sat on a boulder in the brook while my friend the

electronicist practised his art of capturing the sound I so loved. The

moss was a particular shade of bright beautiful green, with such a soft

texture, it made great places to sit and rest along the way. It turns

out it was his 49th birthday yesterday, and he told me it was the best

birthday he could remember having. What a gift. He's probably full of

shit too, I sense that he wants to get into my pants.

 

However, I couldn't help but enjoy the breeze, and the sunshine, the

scent of the woods and the river, the quiet of the trees, the ballet of

little black bugs gliding along like agile, spontaneous pontoons on the

surface of the shining water. The surprise was that when the sun shone

brightly on them, they were iridescent blue! Intricate patterns of

movement and form. Tiny dancing skaters

 

Enjoying the trip so far? The little intersections of life, how

wonderful! Emaho

 

Gurus are people too. This is my idea of a bumper sticker slogan. They

eat, they shit, and they do most anything humans do, including sometimes

touching "other" bodies. Well let's see... I guess it's OK if they

shake hands, or hug people.... but letting them fuck, and be the teacher

too? That's just not fair. This whole "engage fully with your

passions, and allow them to be an aspect of the learning process...

isn't it all just self serving crap so these guys can take advantage of

needy helpless women (or fill in the blank with your favorite

configuration therein, too many permutations to mention). It's all

relative.

 

Poisons transmuted to medicine, mindful lust? Hmmmm.... haven't fully

formed an opinion on that. Not that it matters.

 

But seriously, what benefit to worry about it. Centre of your own

universe, allowing it to be? Not really like you have a choice.

 

I find myself less and less engaged in worrying about it. But still get

caught in whirlpools on occasion. Spinning like a saint.

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your openness Lynne and sharing (and the same Adi, David,

Gloria, Mazie, Joyce, Marifa, Shivani, TG, Warwick, Sam, Tony,

Michael, Adithya, Shawn, BigTexasBob, Jeannie, Terrysoluna, and so

many others.).

Are you the same Lynne who is Wim's friend? How is Wim doing?

Let us know.

Love to all

Harsha

Lynne [lhelwigcan (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Sunday, April 25,

2004 12:00 AMSubject: Re:

Warwick/Adiji/ Re: Rabi'a Basri - the Mystic - a

sufi saint !

Hi Warwick,In light of Harsha's dictate, consider yourself hugged :

).Well, my story is that I am full of shit. and sometimes I can sing

pretty well. I, I I, me, me, me my experiences, my teacher, my

judgements, my kids, (my laptop, and dont frigging touch it).Yeah, I

have stories, and will tell them if they seem significant or timely.

I am as enlightened as any Buddha.in this momentWent for a walk with a

friend yesterday. We drove for 70 miles to get to a brook that I

loved the sound of. We made a digital recording of the babbling of

this brook. It is a small tributary of a river, and it has a rocky

bed. There is a bridge over it made of metal, with a mesh floor that

you can see through and other than the path the area is left pretty

naturalized. I sat on a boulder in the brook while my friend the

electronicist practised his art of capturing the sound I so loved.

The moss was a particular shade of bright beautiful green, with such

a soft texture, it made great places to sit and rest along the way.

It turns out it was his 49th birthday yesterday, and he told me it

was the best birthday he could remember having. What a gift. He's

probably full of shit too, I sense that he wants to get into my

pants.However, I couldn't help but enjoy the breeze, and the

sunshine, the scent of the woods and the river, the quiet of the

trees, the ballet of little black bugs gliding along like agile,

spontaneous pontoons on the surface of the shining water. The

surprise was that when the sun shone brightly on them, they were

iridescent blue! Intricate patterns of movement and form. Tiny

dancing skatersEnjoying the trip so far? The little intersections of

life, how wonderful! EmahoGurus are people too. This is my idea of a

bumper sticker slogan. They eat, they shit, and they do most anything

humans do, including sometimes touching "other" bodies. Well let's

see... I guess it's OK if they shake hands, or hug people.... but

letting them fuck, and be the teacher too? That's just not fair.

This whole "engage fully with your passions, and allow them to be an

aspect of the learning process... isn't it all just self serving crap

so these guys can take advantage of needy helpless women (or fill in

the blank with your favorite configuration therein, too many

permutations to mention). It's all relative.Poisons transmuted to

medicine, mindful lust? Hmmmm.... haven't fully formed an opinion on

that. Not that it matters.But seriously, what benefit to worry about

it. Centre of your own universe, allowing it to be? Not really like

you have a choice.I find myself less and less engaged in worrying

about it. But still get caught in whirlpools on occasion. Spinning

like a

saint.Lynne/join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma

[Guest guest]

Hi Harsha,

Sorry I don't know Wim (if that's his real name). Talking about

openness, what are your thoughts on the guru thing?

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynne:

We have talked about gurus before on this list.

There are some hilarious posts in the archives.

I will be happy to give my thoughts Lynne.

Let me look for them and find them! :-).

Ha, Ha, Ha.

Love to all

Harsha

Lynne [lhelwigcan (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Sunday, April 25,

2004 7:28 PMSubject: Re:

Warwick/Adiji/ Re: Rabi'a Basri - the Mystic - a

sufi saint !

Hi Harsha,Sorry I don't know Wim (if that's his real name). Talking

about openness, what are your thoughts on the guru thing?Lynne