Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 The more I ponder Gauss as a metaphor, the more I like it. Just as Dr. Gauss was a mathematician by doing math, we are the self by living as the self. It's not enough to talk about it. Hmmm... on the other hand... I used to be a scientist. I still know how to think like a scientist and I haven't forgotten ALL the science I once knew, but I'm no longer "doing" science. It occurs to me that I am therefore in some way now free of the label "scientist" Dr. Gauss was a mathematician, but I'll bet he was also... well, I'm too lazy to look up his biography, so I'll bet he ate and breathed and had friends and had enemies and... so much more than "just" math. So when I say we need to live as the self, I mean to live freely of labels. We practice life, not some subset of life. Alright, enough practicing of philosophy 101... be well and send money, Mark , "markwotter704" <markotter@k...> wrote: > , "Harsha" wrote: > > > > > There is a famous quote in the Upanishads that goes something > like, "Self > > reveals It Self to those who seek to know it and meditate on it." > > > > It is always like that, even in worldly matters. Gauss, a famous > German > > mathematician was once asked, how did he become such a genius. He > simply > > said that if anyone spent as much time as he did with mathematics > they would > > also become a genius! > > > > Hi Gang, > > I don't know much about previous lives, but if the Gauss story is > being used as a metaphor for realizing the self, I'd argue that what > was unsaid might go something like this "Only a mathematical genius > would spend so much time with mathematics." I don't perceive this as > contradicting Gauss' purported statement at all. We are the self, > and by meditating on the self, we come to drop the illusion that we > are not. It's called practice for a reason... > > Just a thought, > Mark > Hey, practice makes perfect, but it takes an infinite amount of > practice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 , "Warwick Wakefield" <formandsubstance@t...> wrote: > > markwotter704 > > > The more I ponder Gauss as a metaphor, the more I like it. Just as > Dr. Gauss was a mathematician by doing math, we are the self by > living as the self. It's not enough to talk about it. > > Mark, you say, "we are the Self by living as the Self." (Capitals mine.) > > I imagine that it might be more accurate to say that we are always > the Self, that it would not be possible, as it were, to NOT be the Self, > but that the full understanding, > the "abiding in truth" follows from living as the Self. > > If you can overlook the capitals, do you agree with that? Capitals or otherwise, yes. I do agree. We're saying the same thing, but you have said it more precisely. But I still want to know about the streaming potentials. I studied them for 18 years, but couldn't answer the question I asked. I'd send reprints, but they all went up in flame in a truck accident I had last October. But I can send citations if you like. > > And if you do agree, can you offer any practical suggestions > as to how I might go about "living the truth." > Any suggestions that would help to overcome the > idea of separate identity would be greatly appreciated. Yes, pay attention and act according to your deepest understanding. All the time. (it's called "practice.") And if your understanding changes, change your actions accordingly. It's called growth. > > You say, "live free of labels". > Can you go further into that? > Few concrete examples? Well, are you "spiritual", and if so, how does that serve your ego? Are you kind, unkind? Are you serious, or jocular? Whatever you think you are, are you also the opposite? And if you had to describe who you are, how would you answer? (and then; is it really true, or is it a limitation you've adopted?) I think you already knew this. Am I right? Love and deep respect, Mark > > Love > Warwick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 > Am I right? > Sorry, I should have said Am I "right"? grin, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 markwotter704 The more I ponder Gauss as a metaphor, the more I like it. Just as Dr. Gauss was a mathematician by doing math, we are the self by living as the self. It's not enough to talk about it. Warwick replied Mark, you say, "we are the Self by living as the Self." (Capitals mine.) I imagine that it might be more accurate to say that we are always the Self, that it would not be possible, as it were, to NOT be the Self, but that the full understanding, the "abiding in truth" follows from living as the Self. If you can overlook the capitals, do you agree with that? Mark replied Capitals or otherwise, yes. I do agree. We're saying the same thing, but you have said it more precisely. But I still want to know about the streaming potentials. I studied them for 18 years, but couldn't answer the question I asked. I'd send reprints, but they all went up in flame in a truck accident I had last October. But I can send citations if you like. Warwick, as above. And if you do agree, can you offer any practical suggestions as to how I might go about "living the truth." Any suggestions that would help to overcome the idea of separate identity would be greatly appreciated.Mark's reply. Yes, pay attention and act according to your deepest understanding. All the time. (it's called "practice.") And if your understanding changes, change your actions accordingly. It's called growth. Warwick, as above You say, "live free of labels". Can you go further into that? Few concrete examples? Mark's reply Well, are you "spiritual", and if so, how does that serve your ego? Are you kind, unkind? Are you serious, or jocular? Whatever you think you are, are you also the opposite? And if you had to describe who you are, how would you answer? (and then; is it really true, or is it a limitation you've adopted?) I think you already knew this. Am I right?Love and deep respect, MarkWell Mark, for some reason, what is usually very clear, in a real and experiential way, about "I" being simply consciousness, is very elusive this last week or so. I seem to have difficulty getting past the ego-attributes that you refer to, kindness and unkindness, physicality and the like. It is very easy for the knowing to be claimed by the person. So thanks for being a friend and pointing to what "I" am in an absolute sense and what I am in a relative sense. Much love Warwick P.S. I'm not on close speaking terms with any Devas at the moment; I was a bit overfamiliar and I'm doing penance. But about the streaming potentials, let me ask you; if existence is created from moment to moment (I'm simply quoting the Wise Ones) and the law of causality is apparent rather than real, then it is possible that your intense interest in the streaming potentials is a herald of an imminent re-creation of some universe, somewhere, where the answer to your question is being formulated. It might herald the creation of a universe in which a scientist named Mark discovered the answer fifteen years ago, after a brief and intense enquiry, and the recreation of bone structures is such that osteoporosis and similar conditions are as irrelevant as polio in Manhatten. Don't want to impose unnecessary limits, do we? Wonderful to talk with you. Dubya Dubya. /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Sponsor LinksTo visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Hi Warwick, Where I am now, there's no need for a Mark to discover, or to have discovered a cure for osteoporosis, but there would be great joy for a discovery of osteoporosis-cure to be found, whomever might find it. I know several 'persons', who apparently suffer from osteoporosis, and I wish them relief. Love, Mark ps may all being be free from suffering. May all beings be joyous. May all beings simply be. > Well Mark, for some reason, what is usually very clear, > in a real and experiential way, about "I" being simply consciousness, > is very elusive this last week or so. > > I seem to have difficulty getting past the ego-attributes that you refer to, > kindness and unkindness, physicality and the like. > It is very easy for the knowing to be claimed by the person. > > > So thanks for being a friend and pointing to what "I" am in an absolute sense > and what I am in a relative sense. > > Much love > > Warwick > > P.S. I'm not on close speaking terms with any Devas at the moment; > I was a bit overfamiliar and I'm doing penance. > But about the streaming potentials, let me ask you; > if existence is created from moment to moment > (I'm simply quoting the Wise Ones) > and the law of causality is apparent rather than real, > then it is possible that your intense interest in the streaming potentials > is a herald of an imminent re-creation of > some universe, somewhere, where the answer to your question > is being formulated. > It might herald the creation of a universe in which > a scientist named Mark discovered the answer fifteen years ago, > after a brief and intense enquiry, and the recreation of bone structures is such > that osteoporosis and similar conditions are as irrelevant as polio in > Manhatten. > > Don't want to impose unnecessary limits, do we? > > Wonderful to talk with you. > > Dubya Dubya. > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Sponsor > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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