Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Dear John , what a marvelous suggestion !I would be happy to participate . Warmest regards , as ever , Alan --- bharani <bharani wrote: > Om Namo Bhavanee, Sri Ramanaaya..... > > Dear Friends > > There has been some quiet talk over the past couple of weeks about opening a Room devoted to > Ulladu Narpadu, The Forty Verses. > Robert Butler, who translated the book Sri Ramana Anubhuti into English for the Ramana > Maharshi Centre for Learning in Bangalore, has made a complete translation of the first Forty > Verses, along with very detailed notes explaining how Bhagavan's language works, and taking the > verses and lines word by word, phrase by phrase. > What is more, he has written the exposition in the form of Tamil Learning Lessons, so that > the reader goes through the process of learning Tamil, with the base tool being the Forty > Verses. Some of the explanations are very detailed indeed, and in places hearken back to actual > questions about the poem which were asked to Sri Bhagavan Himself. > I'm moving through this work very slowly, and am very happy that the intricate processes > involved have been so clearly explained in English. For me, it is the sadhana work I have been > praying for. > I put the question to Rob about having a Room where his work can be studied, and he gave > such a project his blessing. So I've been trying to sort out a few guidelines and objectives. > (1) It's felt that posting a few of his verses at a time is the best; hoping that > suggestions and contributions can be made by members who speak Tamil. Comments and suggestions > are welcomed for incorporation into the final draft. > (2) This type of Group is obviously only for devotees who are prepared to put some serious > work in; and conversely for those have have done much work and are prepared to share the fruits > of their knowledge with others. Equally, everyone is encouraged to contribute and also to learn. > > The_Deep_Forty/join > > anbudan > > John > > Siva-Siva --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.668 / Virus Database: 430 - Release 24/04/2004 ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. __________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Om Namo Bhagavanee, Sri Rasmanaaya Dear Alan This is encouraging; the material may look "heavy", but it does get "lighter", and there are people who are happy to explain what is not understood. Reading the uploaded files, one can see phrase-by- phrase how the poem works. For those who do not read the Tamil characters, an all roman version is in preparation, and the first four verses should be uploaded in a few days' time. It's a decided advantage to have a copy of the cassette (Tuesday) on which Upadesa Undiyaar, and Ulladu Narpadu are chanted. This fixes the melody and rhythm in the consciousness, and certain strains repeat themselves in the mind. Then with the aid of Robert's work, one can learn what it means, and the poem drips directly in, in the original. The same goes for Upadesa Saaram, and also U~ Undiyaar. I wonder if the parayana Tapes are on sale outside India... anbudan John Siva—Siva RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > Dear John , > > what a marvelous suggestion !I would be happy to participate . > > Warmest regards , as ever , Alan > > > --- bharani <bharani@o...> wrote: > Om Namo Bhavanee, Sri Ramanaaya..... > > > > Dear Friends > > > > There has been some quiet talk over the past couple of weeks about opening a Room devoted to > > Ulladu Narpadu, The Forty Verses. > > Robert Butler, who translated the book Sri Ramana Anubhuti into English for the Ramana > > Maharshi Centre for Learning in Bangalore, has made a complete translation of the first Forty > > Verses, along with very detailed notes explaining how Bhagavan's language works, and taking the > > verses and lines word by word, phrase by phrase. > > What is more, he has written the exposition in the form of Tamil Learning Lessons, so that > > the reader goes through the process of learning Tamil, with the base tool being the Forty > > Verses. Some of the explanations are very detailed indeed, and in places hearken back to actual > > questions about the poem which were asked to Sri Bhagavan Himself. > > I'm moving through this work very slowly, and am very happy that the intricate processes > > involved have been so clearly explained in English. For me, it is the sadhana work I have been > > praying for. > > I put the question to Rob about having a Room where his work can be studied, and he gave > > such a project his blessing. So I've been trying to sort out a few guidelines and objectives. > > (1) It's felt that posting a few of his verses at a time is the best; hoping that > > suggestions and contributions can be made by members who speak Tamil. Comments and suggestions > > are welcomed for incorporation into the final draft. > > (2) This type of Group is obviously only for devotees who are prepared to put some serious > > work in; and conversely for those have have done much work and are prepared to share the fruits > > of their knowledge with others. Equally, everyone is encouraged to contribute and also to learn. > > > > The_Deep_Forty/join > > > > anbudan > > > > John > > > > Siva-Siva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.668 / Virus Database: 430 - Release Date: 24/04/2004 > > ===== > Life is a pure flame,and we live > by an invisible Sun within us. > > > > > > __________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 --- Dear John, Thanks.I would have to rely on the Roman version .I doubt if the tapes are available here , but I will write to the Ashram Book Depot .Looking forward to the study . Warmest regards , as ever , Alan <bharani wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavanee, Sri Rasmanaaya > > Dear Alan > This is encouraging; the material may look "heavy", but it does > get "lighter", and there are people who are happy to explain what is > not understood. Reading the uploaded files, one can see phrase-by- > phrase how the poem works. For those who do not read the Tamil > characters, an all roman version is in preparation, and the first > four verses should be uploaded in a few days' time. > It's a decided advantage to have a copy of the cassette > (Tuesday) on which Upadesa Undiyaar, and Ulladu Narpadu are chanted. > This fixes the melody and rhythm in the consciousness, and certain > strains repeat themselves in the mind. Then with the aid of Robert's > work, one can learn what it means, and the poem drips directly in, > in the original. The same goes for Upadesa Saaram, and also U~ > Undiyaar. > I wonder if the parayana Tapes are on sale outside India... > > anbudan > > John > > Siva—Siva > > > RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > > Dear John , > > > > what a marvelous suggestion !I would be happy to participate . > > > > Warmest regards , as ever , Alan > > > > > > --- bharani <bharani@o...> wrote: > Om Namo Bhavanee, Sri > Ramanaaya..... > > > > > > Dear Friends > > > > > > There has been some quiet talk over the past couple of weeks > about opening a Room devoted to > > > Ulladu Narpadu, The Forty Verses. > > > Robert Butler, who translated the book Sri Ramana Anubhuti > into English for the Ramana > > > Maharshi Centre for Learning in Bangalore, has made a complete > translation of the first Forty > > > Verses, along with very detailed notes explaining how Bhagavan's > language works, and taking the > > > verses and lines word by word, phrase by phrase. > > > What is more, he has written the exposition in the form of > Tamil Learning Lessons, so that > > > the reader goes through the process of learning Tamil, with the > base tool being the Forty > > > Verses. Some of the explanations are very detailed indeed, and > in places hearken back to actual > > > questions about the poem which were asked to Sri Bhagavan > Himself. > > > I'm moving through this work very slowly, and am very happy > that the intricate processes > > > involved have been so clearly explained in English. For me, it > is the sadhana work I have been > > > praying for. > > > I put the question to Rob about having a Room where his work > can be studied, and he gave > > > such a project his blessing. So I've been trying to sort out a > few guidelines and objectives. > > > (1) It's felt that posting a few of his verses at a time is > the best; hoping that > > > suggestions and contributions can be made by members who speak > Tamil. Comments and suggestions > > > are welcomed for incorporation into the final draft. > > > (2) This type of Group is obviously only for devotees who > are prepared to put some serious > > > work in; and conversely for those have have done much work and > are prepared to share the fruits > > > of their knowledge with others. Equally, everyone is encouraged > to contribute and also to learn. > > > > > > The_Deep_Forty/join > > > > > > anbudan > > > > > > John > > > > > > Siva-Siva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.668 / Virus Database: 430 - Release Date: > 24/04/2004 > > > > ===== > > Life is a pure flame,and we live > > by an invisible Sun within us. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. __________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaaya Greetings friends: The book Sri Ramana Anubuti —Nondual Consciousness – The Flood Tide of Bliss – , being Muruganar's Classic exposition of the process of his sadhana leading up to full-blown realisation of the Self by the Grace of our Lord Bhagavan Sri Ramana Mahrshi, has been translated into English from the Tamil by Robert Butler. It is published by the Ramana Maharshi Centre for Learning in Bangalore. Robert has now written a full exposition on Bhagavan's Ulladu Narpadu, The Forty Verses. Word by word and line by line, he analyses and explains the words Bhagavan is using in the poem, and he looks very deeply at how the language works. Although the book seems quite 'tough', it can also be read at a much simpler level, as Robert matches the phrases up with their English equivalents — so that by working closely and carefully with the text, the reader experiences the Forty Verses from the inside. From Deep within.... Now that the work is in the process of being worked through very carefully, a group has been opened where members can ask questions, clarify points, and give valuable feedback to Rob as the work approaches its final stages. The beauty of working in this way is that even devotees who believe that they do not know Tamil at all can, by carefully reading over the sections and reading the lines over several times, acquire a feel for the magic of Bhagavan's poetry; and they will find that step by step they are soon reading it in the original. The forum is also a meeting point for devotees to ask questions, where they can help in clarifying issues, whilst at the same time providing valuable feedback to the author. In this way the book is seen as "Everybody's", in the same way that Bhagavan Ramana Himself dances in the Heart of every soul, inside every Being. It has indeed also been the experience for some that by a careful study of the matter in hand, the process of the Investigation of the Self is initiated automatically; in this way Bhagavan reaches out to us holding and nurturing devotees in his compassionate hand. Because of the serious and concentrated nature of this forum, membership is restricted, as only sincere applications for membership are entertained. This is to discourage frivolous applications. An important feature is that the book is also being prepared in easy-to-follow Roman letters which accurately reflect the Tamil script which is used in the original book. The first four verses in Roman letters have already been uploaded to the Files area in PDF format, and all postings on the group are written in Roman letters. Tamil natives can download the book in the original script. Transliteration keys and files to get you started are uploaded onto the Files section. It is also undertaken to explain via postings, as often as necessary, points which are not understood. The tape with the sung chant of the Forty Verses is available from Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai, South India. It is the cassette called "Tuesday" (sevvaaykizhamai), which is part of the Tamil "Parayana" of which there are five other tape cassettes. The "Tuesday" tape starts with the singing of Upadesa Undiyar and moves onto the Forty Verses along wioth the Supplement. It's recommended that members acquire a copy of this tape in order to familiarize themselves with the haunting cadences of the words. The_Deep_Forty anbudan John Siva—Siva ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release 03/05/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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