Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dear Harsha days ago I sent you to your personal mailadress a letter and asked you for your advice - which I appreciate to get. Till today I did not receive any answer..... Please let me know why.... with due respect michael bindel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dear Michael: I have not received anything from you recently that I recall. I do owe SamP a reply but that's all that comes to mind. I might have missed it as I have a couple of different accounts but I check my as well as my cox account for your e-mail after I saw this. As far as advice goes Michael, I honestly don't know what advice I could give. Can you share what is on your mind so that the collective wisdom of the sangha can help. That may be more valuable to you. Love, Harsha , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear Harsha > > days ago I sent you to your personal mailadress a letter and asked you for > your advice - which I appreciate to get. > Till today I did not receive any answer..... > > Please let me know why.... > > > with due respect > > michael bindel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dear Harsha, thank you for your loving answer. I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this poor american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - like the Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his passport. I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war between "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" muslim are winning it. There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always stupid website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe everything, but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is not discussed at all in our satsang. As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this stuff for checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling about all this ongoing turmoil....... I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana and trying to live accordingly did lead me a long way and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to be "sucked inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find GD in myself and to live accordingly. Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I have learned in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. This gift helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came by myself, without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get books before "my" discoveries. And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have no idea whats going on on our planet. Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious mind or my sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why why why...... So that is my question Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever this are troubling fundamental questions with compassion and all respect to all of you with love michael bindel - "harshaimtm" <> Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:18 PM Re: Urgent request HARSHA > Dear Michael: > > I have not received anything from you recently that I recall. I do > owe SamP a reply but that's all that comes to mind. I might have > missed it as I have a couple of different accounts but I check my > as well as my cox account for your e-mail after I saw this. > > As far as advice goes Michael, I honestly don't know what advice I > could give. Can you share what is on your mind so that the > collective wisdom of the sangha can help. That may be more valuable > to you. > > Love, > Harsha > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Harsha > > > > days ago I sent you to your personal mailadress a letter and asked > you for > > your advice - which I appreciate to get. > > Till today I did not receive any answer..... > > > > Please let me know why.... > > > > > > with due respect > > > > michael bindel > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. Blessings to the cosmos. Love to all Harsha , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear Harsha, > > thank you for your loving answer. > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this poor > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - like the > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his passport. > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war between > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" muslim are > winning it. > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always stupid > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe everything, > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is not > discussed at all in our satsang. > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this stuff for > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling about all this > ongoing turmoil....... > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana and trying > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to be "sucked > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find GD in > myself and to live accordingly. > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I have learned > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. This gift > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came by myself, > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get books before > "my" discoveries. > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have no idea > whats going on on our planet. > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious mind or my > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why why > why...... > > So that is my question > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever this are > troubling fundamental questions > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > michael bindel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dear All Michael and Harsha, Thank you I don't have the solution to this madness, although I would say it is ultra-personal to you Michael or anybody who FEELS Michael or as him now. But it reminds me, as if it has the same spring like, lotus blossom fragrance of the Buddha's dilema upon leaving the "palace" were he discoved for himself, personaly and directly, mankind's suffering. The sight/sense of which gave him the inspiration and dedication to go sit under the Bhodi Tree until he personally found the answer within himself...As much as that sucks, being absent solution(?!), I do believe this is some next level, real deal, depth of inquirey wise and no theory or philosophy can help. anyway that and $2.50 might get you a gallon of gas somewhere :-))) thank you Eugene , "harshaimtm" wrote: > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. > > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. > > Blessings to the cosmos. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Harsha, > > > > thank you for your loving answer. > > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this > poor > > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... > > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - > like the > > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > passport. > > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war between > > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" > muslim are > > winning it. > > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always > stupid > > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe > everything, > > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is > not > > discussed at all in our satsang. > > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this stuff > for > > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling about > all this > > ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana > and trying > > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to > be "sucked > > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find > GD in > > myself and to live accordingly. > > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I > have learned > > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. > This gift > > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came by > myself, > > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get > books before > > "my" discoveries. > > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have > no idea > > whats going on on our planet. > > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious > mind or my > > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why > why > > why...... > > > > So that is my question > > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever > this are > > troubling fundamental questions > > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > > michael bindel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Michael, You ask why, why, why ?. Here is a snip of something that came off another list. Its nothing new, its nothing we don't already know, but I think it sums things up pretty wall. ///////// >> Heaven and hell only exist within your mind. ///////// The bottom line is this: Every memory you can have happens in your mind. Every thought you have happens in your mind. Every emotion you can have is in your mind. Every sense perception you can have is registered in the mind. Every concept you can come up with is in your mind. All concepts, regardless of where they appear to come from can only be known in your mind. Any concept of God, of Enlightenment, of Joy, of Suffering, they are all only in your mind. They are all objects appearing in your mind. When one starts to identify with the activity of the mind, a conceptual identity develops and being conceptual, and living in a conceptual world, i.e. in the mind, any number of conceptual things can happen and be great or horrible depending on other concepts. Welcome to the conceptual world. Its because of misidentification that peoples can hate, can kill. Its because for most, there is no foundation, nothing solid. There is no common ground from which to reference from. It because in the conceptual world, there is a constant hunger for some unknown thing that will make everything OK. Its because in the conceptual world, we are trying to defend what we think we have gained, what we think makes us happy, without the knowledge that its only in our heads. Wars happen because people don't realize that heaven and hell only exists within the mind. The best course of action, like we can actually direct anything :-), is to do what we can to take our forms beyond help so that we can help others beyond help..........but you already knew that..... Branwell At 09:42 AM 5/18/2004, you wrote: >Dear Harsha, > >thank you for your loving answer. > >I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this poor >american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... >It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - like the >Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his passport. >I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war between >"christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" muslim are >winning it. >There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always stupid >website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... >Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe everything, >but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is not >discussed at all in our satsang. >As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this stuff for >checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling about all this >ongoing turmoil....... > > >I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana and trying >to live accordingly did lead me a long way >and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to be "sucked >inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find GD in >myself and to live accordingly. >Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I have learned >in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. This gift >helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". >All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came by myself, >without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get books before >"my" discoveries. > >And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have no idea >whats going on on our planet. > >Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious mind or my >sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why why >why...... > >So that is my question > >Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever this are >troubling fundamental questions > > >with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > >michael bindel > >- >"harshaimtm" ><> >Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:18 PM > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > Dear Michael: > > > > I have not received anything from you recently that I recall. I do > > owe SamP a reply but that's all that comes to mind. I might have > > missed it as I have a couple of different accounts but I check my > > as well as my cox account for your e-mail after I saw this. > > > > As far as advice goes Michael, I honestly don't know what advice I > > could give. Can you share what is on your mind so that the > > collective wisdom of the sangha can help. That may be more valuable > > to you. > > > > Love, > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Harsha > > > > > > days ago I sent you to your personal mailadress a letter and asked > > you for > > > your advice - which I appreciate to get. > > > Till today I did not receive any answer..... > > > > > > Please let me know why.... > > > > > > > > > with due respect > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Michael, I don't have much to say, yet I wanted to let you know I love the way you open your heart. I felt it would not be fair for me to feel so much beauty in the sincerity of your words and not say a word back. So here I am typing back, instead of going to plant a few flowers outside. Thank you for sharing what each one of us feels in a way or another. I think I know why the fire of the turmoil you express will not find fuel here. Sometimes I am presumptuous, hope it won't offend anyone... Turmoil's spreads out much more faster than the wisdom of living the moment. It is easy to spread turmoil. It is hard to cultivate the wisdom of the moment, it can only come from within, some say. I find there is a high level of such cultivation here... A chance there is pain to bring some people back to the moment, and balance the equation. Without pain, I believe it would have been a long time that our race would not be here. Talking for myself now, Michael, you can try to offend me by anything you write. The times I remember I got offended, in retrospective, I was the only cause of feeling that way. May the joy of Shakti gently flow, Antoine - Michael Bindel Dear Harsha,thank you for your loving answer.I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this pooramerican jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Dearest Antoine, why should I offend you? Thank you for your loving understanding! Great help it is indeed - it shows me that "I" am not alone seeing and feeling this turmoil. And I feel myself being graced having "found" Ramana and this group and you Antoine.... Go and plant flowers - the best thing we can do in the outside world...... With all my gratitude and love michael bindel - Antoine Carré Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:47 AM Re: Re: Urgent request HARSHA Michael, I don't have much to say, yet I wanted to let you know I love the way you open your heart. I felt it would not be fair for me to feel so much beauty in the sincerity of your words and not say a word back. So here I am typing back, instead of going to plant a few flowers outside. Thank you for sharing what each one of us feels in a way or another. I think I know why the fire of the turmoil you express will not find fuel here. Sometimes I am presumptuous, hope it won't offend anyone... Turmoil's spreads out much more faster than the wisdom of living the moment. It is easy to spread turmoil. It is hard to cultivate the wisdom of the moment, it can only come from within, some say. I find there is a high level of such cultivation here... A chance there is pain to bring some people back to the moment, and balance the equation. Without pain, I believe it would have been a long time that our race would not be here. Talking for myself now, Michael, you can try to offend me by anything you write. The times I remember I got offended, in retrospective, I was the only cause of feeling that way. May the joy of Shakti gently flow, Antoine - Michael Bindel Dear Harsha,thank you for your loving answer.I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this pooramerican jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Dear Eugene, thank you for your answer. Of course its ultrapersonal for me and of course I reached some level and have to jump again..... But it helps somehow to see that I am not completely alone by seeing feeling what I see and feel.... With love Michael Bindel - "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000 <> Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:30 PM Re: Urgent request HARSHA > Dear All > Michael and Harsha, > Thank you > I don't have the solution to this madness, although I would say it is > ultra-personal to you Michael or anybody who FEELS Michael or as him > now. But it reminds me, as if it has the same spring like, lotus > blossom fragrance of the Buddha's dilema upon leaving the "palace" > were he discoved for himself, personaly and directly, mankind's > suffering. The sight/sense of which gave him the inspiration and > dedication to go sit under the Bhodi Tree until he personally found > the answer within himself...As much as that sucks, being absent > solution(?!), I do believe this is some next level, real deal, depth > of inquirey wise and no theory or philosophy can help. > anyway that and $2.50 might get you a gallon of gas somewhere :-))) > thank you > Eugene > > , "harshaimtm" > wrote: > > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. > > > > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. > > > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. > > > > Blessings to the cosmos. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Harsha, > > > > > > thank you for your loving answer. > > > > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this > > poor > > > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... > > > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - > > like the > > > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > > passport. > > > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war > between > > > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" > > muslim are > > > winning it. > > > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always > > stupid > > > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > > > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe > > everything, > > > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is > > not > > > discussed at all in our satsang. > > > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this > stuff > > for > > > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling > about > > all this > > > ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana > > and trying > > > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > > > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to > > be "sucked > > > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find > > GD in > > > myself and to live accordingly. > > > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I > > have learned > > > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. > > This gift > > > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > > > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came > by > > myself, > > > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get > > books before > > > "my" discoveries. > > > > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have > > no idea > > > whats going on on our planet. > > > > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious > > mind or my > > > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why > > why > > > why...... > > > > > > So that is my question > > > > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever > > this are > > > troubling fundamental questions > > > > > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Dear Branwell, thank you for your answer. Yes I suspected it all along its all my minds play This helps me finding my place as best as I can in my SELF Would be wonderful to hear who tried it already?????? with a smile and lots of love michael bindel - "Branwell McClory" <branwell1 <> Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:21 PM Re: Re: Urgent request HARSHA > Michael, > > You ask why, why, why ?. > > Here is a snip of something that came off another list. Its nothing new, > its nothing we don't already know, but I think it sums things up pretty wall. > > ///////// > >> Heaven and hell only exist within your mind. > ///////// > > The bottom line is this: > Every memory you can have happens in your mind. > Every thought you have happens in your mind. > Every emotion you can have is in your mind. > Every sense perception you can have is registered in the mind. > Every concept you can come up with is in your mind. > > All concepts, regardless of where they appear to come from can only be > known in your mind. > Any concept of God, of Enlightenment, of Joy, of Suffering, they are all > only in your mind. > They are all objects appearing in your mind. > > When one starts to identify with the activity of the mind, a conceptual > identity develops and being conceptual, and living in a conceptual world, > i.e. in the mind, any number of conceptual things can happen and be great > or horrible depending on other concepts. > > Welcome to the conceptual world. > > Its because of misidentification that peoples can hate, can kill. Its > because for most, there is no foundation, nothing solid. There is no common > ground from which to reference from. > It because in the conceptual world, there is a constant hunger for some > unknown thing that will make everything OK. Its because in the conceptual > world, we are trying to defend what we think we have gained, what we think > makes us happy, without the knowledge that its only in our heads. > > Wars happen because people don't realize that heaven and hell only exists > within the mind. > > The best course of action, like we can actually direct anything :-), is > to do what we can to take our forms beyond help so that we can help others > beyond help..........but you already knew that..... > > Branwell > > > > At 09:42 AM 5/18/2004, you wrote: > >Dear Harsha, > > > >thank you for your loving answer. > > > >I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this poor > >american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... > >It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - like the > >Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his passport. > >I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war between > >"christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" muslim are > >winning it. > >There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always stupid > >website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > >Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe everything, > >but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is not > >discussed at all in our satsang. > >As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this stuff for > >checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling about all this > >ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > >I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana and trying > >to live accordingly did lead me a long way > >and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to be "sucked > >inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find GD in > >myself and to live accordingly. > >Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I have learned > >in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. This gift > >helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > >All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came by myself, > >without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get books before > >"my" discoveries. > > > >And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have no idea > >whats going on on our planet. > > > >Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious mind or my > >sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why why > >why...... > > > >So that is my question > > > >Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever this are > >troubling fundamental questions > > > > > >with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > >michael bindel > > > >- > >"harshaimtm" > ><> > >Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:18 PM > > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > > > > Dear Michael: > > > > > > I have not received anything from you recently that I recall. I do > > > owe SamP a reply but that's all that comes to mind. I might have > > > missed it as I have a couple of different accounts but I check my > > > as well as my cox account for your e-mail after I saw this. > > > > > > As far as advice goes Michael, I honestly don't know what advice I > > > could give. Can you share what is on your mind so that the > > > collective wisdom of the sangha can help. That may be more valuable > > > to you. > > > > > > Love, > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Harsha > > > > > > > > days ago I sent you to your personal mailadress a letter and asked > > > you for > > > > your advice - which I appreciate to get. > > > > Till today I did not receive any answer..... > > > > > > > > Please let me know why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > with due respect > > > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > >Sri Ramana > > > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hi Michael Of course, but. So can we look at this? You actually are alone in how you feel, just like I am alone in a red tint I call the color red. It may help to you commiserate and it may not. Depends on what you want. Not to be an A-hole or anything (although I can't really help it) but do you want to assuage this madness or wake up from it? I could say something about the fear and suffering really having to do with your own tendencies toward body identification and the body/mind's attempt at some form of immortality or continuity for the organism, and the associate conditioning of, or desire and aversion to, judgments of any residual good vs. evil or right vs. wrong polarities - political, moral, spiritual - seemingly splitting Consciousness in two sides and that somehow one side of which seems to offer that desire to "be" forever fullfilment and the other threatens it, if only they/that/we/those would/wouldn't because should/shoudln't etc... I don't know if that helps or not or Who needs it. You see? And this kind of thing, this moment of "no solution" is loaded with "stuff" that's great to look at. But it also seem that at the moment of "impact" or when we are personaly in the throws of the emotion of it, it's most difficult (i.e. fearfull) to look directly at one's own mind and see the thread, but it also seems to be where the most energy is compacted and the release is most profound. It may just be Michael's time in the "fire." Look at the Maharshi story, in a moment of terror, of feeling like he was dyng, that the identity "popped." Or Jesus', on the cross going from "Why me" to "into Thine Hands." I'm not saying looking for a shared concern isn't valuable. I mean the 12 Step programs are exactly that energy. Timing or ripeness is everything and "your" ripeness is not yuour doing or willing. It is Consciousness or The Self that's calling any shots, if there are any(and to be honest there aren't any causes or reasons)...but that's a quantum leap I think, to no choice, no will, no way, no problem no solution, just Is, as It Is. You see what I mean? I been thinking about this and it seems to me, that once one becomes a "seeker", that is if awakening isn't spontaneous, then the final options are metta-devastation or a Guru for a tiny moment and to be honest probably both for most of us... I could be wrong about that. But from my own experience that I can commiserate with you...when all the righteousness and indignation defenses are lost, when the projection of pain ceases to go out there is when the horror of being separate, of being unloving and unlovable and unforgiving and unforgivable is completely and only my identity and it's just the pure terror that the horror in the world is my thought, when I want anything but my thinking and when the terror becomes so complete and total, that there is nothing left to fear...there never was anything to fear I love you Michael Eugene , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear Eugene, > > thank you for your answer. > Of course its ultrapersonal for me and of course I reached some level and > have to jump again..... > But it helps somehow to see that I am not completely alone by seeing feeling > what I see and feel.... > > With love > > Michael Bindel > > > - > "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000> > <> > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:30 PM > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > Dear All > > Michael and Harsha, > > Thank you > > I don't have the solution to this madness, although I would say it is > > ultra-personal to you Michael or anybody who FEELS Michael or as him > > now. But it reminds me, as if it has the same spring like, lotus > > blossom fragrance of the Buddha's dilema upon leaving the "palace" > > were he discoved for himself, personaly and directly, mankind's > > suffering. The sight/sense of which gave him the inspiration and > > dedication to go sit under the Bhodi Tree until he personally found > > the answer within himself...As much as that sucks, being absent > > solution(?!), I do believe this is some next level, real deal, depth > > of inquirey wise and no theory or philosophy can help. > > anyway that and $2.50 might get you a gallon of gas somewhere :- ))) > > thank you > > Eugene > > > > , "harshaimtm" > > wrote: > > > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. > > > > > > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. > > > > > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > > > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. > > > > > > Blessings to the cosmos. > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Harsha, > > > > > > > > thank you for your loving answer. > > > > > > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this > > > poor > > > > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video.... > > > > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - > > > like the > > > > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > > > passport. > > > > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war > > between > > > > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" > > > muslim are > > > > winning it. > > > > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always > > > stupid > > > > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > > > > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe > > > everything, > > > > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is > > > not > > > > discussed at all in our satsang. > > > > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this > > stuff > > > for > > > > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling > > about > > > all this > > > > ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana > > > and trying > > > > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > > > > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to > > > be "sucked > > > > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find > > > GD in > > > > myself and to live accordingly. > > > > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I > > > have learned > > > > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. > > > This gift > > > > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > > > > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came > > by > > > myself, > > > > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get > > > books before > > > > "my" discoveries. > > > > > > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have > > > no idea > > > > whats going on on our planet. > > > > > > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious > > > mind or my > > > > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why > > > why > > > > why...... > > > > > > > > So that is my question > > > > > > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever > > > this are > > > > troubling fundamental questions > > > > > > > > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Links > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Dearest Eugene, your message is full of understanding/love for my situation..... Tomorrow I will answer you. In the meantime thank you for your understanding..... be embraced hugged and please accept my love too in Grace Michael Bindel - "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000 <> Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:15 PM Re: Urgent request HARSHA > Hi Michael > Of course, but. > So can we look at this? > You actually are alone in how you feel, > just like I am alone in a red tint I call the color red. > It may help to you commiserate and it may not. > Depends on what you want. > Not to be an A-hole or anything (although I can't really help it) but > do you want to assuage this madness or wake up from it? > I could say something about the fear and suffering really having to > do with your own tendencies toward body identification and the > body/mind's attempt at some form of immortality or continuity for the > organism, and the associate conditioning of, or desire and aversion > to, judgments of any residual good vs. evil or right vs. wrong > polarities - political, moral, spiritual - seemingly splitting > Consciousness in two sides and that somehow one side of which seems > to offer that desire to "be" forever fullfilment and the other > threatens it, if only they/that/we/those would/wouldn't because > should/shoudln't etc... > I don't know if that helps or not or Who needs it. > You see? > And this kind of thing, this moment of "no solution" is loaded > with "stuff" that's great to look at. > But it also seem that at the moment of "impact" or when we are > personaly in the throws of the emotion of it, it's most difficult > (i.e. fearfull) to look directly at one's own mind and see the > thread, but it also seems to be where the most energy is compacted > and the release is most profound. It may just be Michael's time in > the "fire." > Look at the Maharshi story, in a moment of terror, of feeling like he > was dyng, that the identity "popped." > Or Jesus', on the cross going from "Why me" to "into Thine Hands." > I'm not saying looking for a shared concern isn't valuable. > I mean the 12 Step programs are exactly that energy. > Timing or ripeness is everything and "your" ripeness is not yuour > doing or willing. It is Consciousness or The Self that's calling any > shots, if there are any(and to be honest there aren't any causes or > reasons)...but that's a quantum leap I think, to no choice, no will, > no way, no problem no solution, just Is, as It Is. > You see what I mean? > I been thinking about this and it seems to me, that once one becomes > a "seeker", that is if awakening isn't spontaneous, then the final > options are metta-devastation or a Guru for a tiny moment and to be > honest probably both for most of us... > > I could be wrong about that. > > But from my own experience that I can commiserate with you...when all > the righteousness and indignation defenses are lost, when the > projection of pain ceases to go out there is when the horror of being > separate, of being unloving and unlovable and unforgiving and > unforgivable is completely and only my identity and it's just the > pure terror that the horror in the world is my thought, when I want > anything but my thinking and when the terror becomes so complete and > total, that there is nothing left to fear...there never was anything > to fear > I love you Michael > Eugene > > > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Eugene, > > > > thank you for your answer. > > Of course its ultrapersonal for me and of course I reached some > level and > > have to jump again..... > > But it helps somehow to see that I am not completely alone by > seeing feeling > > what I see and feel.... > > > > With love > > > > Michael Bindel > > > > > > - > > "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000> > > <> > > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:30 PM > > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > > > > Dear All > > > Michael and Harsha, > > > Thank you > > > I don't have the solution to this madness, although I would say > it is > > > ultra-personal to you Michael or anybody who FEELS Michael or as > him > > > now. But it reminds me, as if it has the same spring like, lotus > > > blossom fragrance of the Buddha's dilema upon leaving the "palace" > > > were he discoved for himself, personaly and directly, mankind's > > > suffering. The sight/sense of which gave him the inspiration and > > > dedication to go sit under the Bhodi Tree until he personally > found > > > the answer within himself...As much as that sucks, being absent > > > solution(?!), I do believe this is some next level, real deal, > depth > > > of inquirey wise and no theory or philosophy can help. > > > anyway that and $2.50 might get you a gallon of gas somewhere :- > ))) > > > thank you > > > Eugene > > > > > > , "harshaimtm" > > > wrote: > > > > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. > > > > > > > > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. > > > > > > > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > > > > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. > > > > > > > > Blessings to the cosmos. > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Harsha, > > > > > > > > > > thank you for your loving answer. > > > > > > > > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how > this > > > > poor > > > > > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of > video.... > > > > > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he > too - > > > > like the > > > > > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > > > > passport. > > > > > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war > > > between > > > > > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" > > > > muslim are > > > > > winning it. > > > > > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not > always > > > > stupid > > > > > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > > > > > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe > > > > everything, > > > > > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this > theme is > > > > not > > > > > discussed at all in our satsang. > > > > > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this > > > stuff > > > > for > > > > > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling > > > about > > > > all this > > > > > ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving > Ramana > > > > and trying > > > > > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > > > > > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to > > > > be "sucked > > > > > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to > find > > > > GD in > > > > > myself and to live accordingly. > > > > > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I > > > > have learned > > > > > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. > > > > This gift > > > > > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > > > > > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word > came > > > by > > > > myself, > > > > > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get > > > > books before > > > > > "my" discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe > have > > > > no idea > > > > > whats going on on our planet. > > > > > > > > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my > curious > > > > mind or my > > > > > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers > why > > > > why > > > > > why...... > > > > > > > > > > So that is my question > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for > whoever > > > > this are > > > > > troubling fundamental questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > > > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dearest Eugene, > > your message is full of understanding/love for my situation..... > Tomorrow I will answer you. > In the meantime > > thank you for your understanding..... > > be embraced hugged and please accept my love too > > in Grace > >Dear Michael, I am not sure how to put this into words, but I will try. I do not believe that we are meant to achieve deadness to our emotions while we are living in a body. It is okay to feel. These days I feel lots of suffering when I see my husband's cancer draining him of life. Is that so wrong...for me to feel another's pain? I think it is normal. You know as well as I do that all of life is suffering. The more compassionate you are, the more you can instinctively agree with this. It has been easy for me to accept that viewpoint this lifetime, having lost a child when I was in my thirties. The path for me has been one of questioning God...how can He allow such suffering. To let children sicken and die? But they always have and they always will. Heaven is a state of awareness where you know that you are one with everything. Being one with suffering is the transcendent way. Not so easily done, but it is the Way. It is not for us to rebel against it but to wake up in the moment and be one with it. Politics is not the way to enlightenment because it is divided. Let the world rage on. Our job is to know that we are suffering and the very knowing is the key to transcending it. I have bad days, terrible days when my mind forgets all that I just said. So be it. It doesn't know. All it can do is rail against anything and everything. And when I wake up a bit, I know that the long fight to awaken is worth the candle. Love, Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 , "skiplaurel" <vicki@b...> wrote: > , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dearest Eugene, > > > > your message is full of understanding/love for my situation..... > > Tomorrow I will answer you. > > In the meantime > > > > thank you for your understanding..... > > > > be embraced hugged and please accept my love too > > > > in Grace > > > >Dear Michael, > > I am not sure how to put this into words, but I will try. I do not believe that we are meant to achieve deadness to our emotions while we are living in a body. It is okay to feel. These days I feel lots of suffering when I see my husband's cancer draining him of life. Is that so wrong...for me to feel another's pain? I think it is normal. > > You know as well as I do that all of life is suffering. The more compassionate you are, the more you can instinctively agree with this. It has been easy for me to accept that viewpoint this lifetime, having lost a child when I was in my thirties. The path for me has been one of questioning God...how can He allow such suffering. To let children sicken and die? But they always have and they always will. > > Heaven is a state of awareness where you know that you are one with everything. Being one with suffering is the transcendent way. Not so easily done, but it is the Way. It is not for us to rebel against it but to wake up in the moment and be one with it. > > Politics is not the way to enlightenment because it is divided. Let the world rage on. Our job is to know that we are suffering and the very knowing is the key to transcending it. > > I have bad days, terrible days when my mind forgets all that I just said. So be it. It doesn't know. All it can do is rail against anything and everything. And when I wake up a bit, I know that the long fight to awaken is worth the candle. > > Love, Vicki Dear Vicki Thank you. The heartfelt-ness of your expression-ing is profound in It's depth. While concepts may are may not be helpful in a given situation, depending soley on the reader I think, the Source of these words are unmistakably beyond, yet somehow inclusive of, what they address. Lover, Loving, Love. I had a hard time putting that into words too, but I just hadda. :-))) yours truly Eugene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hi Michael I'm not trying to be cute but I suggest only answer if you must tomorrow who knows but you gotta know I'm not asking anything of you or better I have no question of you So the answer you come up with may actually be your own question Love Eugene , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dearest Eugene, > > your message is full of understanding/love for my situation..... > Tomorrow I will answer you. > In the meantime > > thank you for your understanding..... > > be embraced hugged and please accept my love too > > in Grace > > Michael Bindel > - > "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000> > <> > Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:15 PM > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > Hi Michael > > Of course, but. > > So can we look at this? > > You actually are alone in how you feel, > > just like I am alone in a red tint I call the color red. > > It may help to you commiserate and it may not. > > Depends on what you want. > > Not to be an A-hole or anything (although I can't really help it) but > > do you want to assuage this madness or wake up from it? > > I could say something about the fear and suffering really having to > > do with your own tendencies toward body identification and the > > body/mind's attempt at some form of immortality or continuity for the > > organism, and the associate conditioning of, or desire and aversion > > to, judgments of any residual good vs. evil or right vs. wrong > > polarities - political, moral, spiritual - seemingly splitting > > Consciousness in two sides and that somehow one side of which seems > > to offer that desire to "be" forever fullfilment and the other > > threatens it, if only they/that/we/those would/wouldn't because > > should/shoudln't etc... > > I don't know if that helps or not or Who needs it. > > You see? > > And this kind of thing, this moment of "no solution" is loaded > > with "stuff" that's great to look at. > > But it also seem that at the moment of "impact" or when we are > > personaly in the throws of the emotion of it, it's most difficult > > (i.e. fearfull) to look directly at one's own mind and see the > > thread, but it also seems to be where the most energy is compacted > > and the release is most profound. It may just be Michael's time in > > the "fire." > > Look at the Maharshi story, in a moment of terror, of feeling like he > > was dyng, that the identity "popped." > > Or Jesus', on the cross going from "Why me" to "into Thine Hands." > > I'm not saying looking for a shared concern isn't valuable. > > I mean the 12 Step programs are exactly that energy. > > Timing or ripeness is everything and "your" ripeness is not yuour > > doing or willing. It is Consciousness or The Self that's calling any > > shots, if there are any(and to be honest there aren't any causes or > > reasons)...but that's a quantum leap I think, to no choice, no will, > > no way, no problem no solution, just Is, as It Is. > > You see what I mean? > > I been thinking about this and it seems to me, that once one becomes > > a "seeker", that is if awakening isn't spontaneous, then the final > > options are metta-devastation or a Guru for a tiny moment and to be > > honest probably both for most of us... > > > > I could be wrong about that. > > > > But from my own experience that I can commiserate with you...when all > > the righteousness and indignation defenses are lost, when the > > projection of pain ceases to go out there is when the horror of being > > separate, of being unloving and unlovable and unforgiving and > > unforgivable is completely and only my identity and it's just the > > pure terror that the horror in the world is my thought, when I want > > anything but my thinking and when the terror becomes so complete and > > total, that there is nothing left to fear...there never was anything > > to fear > > I love you Michael > > Eugene > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Eugene, > > > > > > thank you for your answer. > > > Of course its ultrapersonal for me and of course I reached some > > level and > > > have to jump again..... > > > But it helps somehow to see that I am not completely alone by > > seeing feeling > > > what I see and feel.... > > > > > > With love > > > > > > Michael Bindel > > > > > > > > > - > > > "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000> > > > <> > > > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:30 PM > > > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > Michael and Harsha, > > > > Thank you > > > > I don't have the solution to this madness, although I would say > > it is > > > > ultra-personal to you Michael or anybody who FEELS Michael or as > > him > > > > now. But it reminds me, as if it has the same spring like, lotus > > > > blossom fragrance of the Buddha's dilema upon leaving the "palace" > > > > were he discoved for himself, personaly and directly, mankind's > > > > suffering. The sight/sense of which gave him the inspiration and > > > > dedication to go sit under the Bhodi Tree until he personally > > found > > > > the answer within himself...As much as that sucks, being absent > > > > solution(?!), I do believe this is some next level, real deal, > > depth > > > > of inquirey wise and no theory or philosophy can help. > > > > anyway that and $2.50 might get you a gallon of gas somewhere :- > > ))) > > > > thank you > > > > Eugene > > > > > > > > , "harshaimtm" > > > > wrote: > > > > > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. > > > > > > > > > > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. > > > > > > > > > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > > > > > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings to the cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > > > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harsha, > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for your loving answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how > > this > > > > > poor > > > > > > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of > > video.... > > > > > > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he > > too - > > > > > like the > > > > > > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > > > > > passport. > > > > > > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war > > > > between > > > > > > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" > > > > > muslim are > > > > > > winning it. > > > > > > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not > > always > > > > > stupid > > > > > > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on... > > > > > > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe > > > > > everything, > > > > > > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this > > theme is > > > > > not > > > > > > discussed at all in our satsang. > > > > > > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this > > > > stuff > > > > > for > > > > > > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling > > > > about > > > > > all this > > > > > > ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving > > Ramana > > > > > and trying > > > > > > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > > > > > > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to > > > > > be "sucked > > > > > > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to > > find > > > > > GD in > > > > > > myself and to live accordingly. > > > > > > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I > > > > > have learned > > > > > > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. > > > > > This gift > > > > > > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > > > > > > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word > > came > > > > by > > > > > myself, > > > > > > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get > > > > > books before > > > > > > "my" discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe > > have > > > > > no idea > > > > > > whats going on on our planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my > > curious > > > > > mind or my > > > > > > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers > > why > > > > > why > > > > > > why...... > > > > > > > > > > > > So that is my question > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for > > whoever > > > > > this are > > > > > > troubling fundamental questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > > > > > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Dear Michael: Mahatama Gandhi never visited Ramanaashram, although many of his followers did. When Ramana Maharshi heard that Gandhiji had been assassinated, Sri Ramana was weeping. The Sage said that people like Gandhiji know beforehand when they are going to pass away but keep quiet and do not create a commotion. Our bodies are made of universal matter that is common to all and so it is natural for us to feel and know the suffering of others. Once I was meditating and saw that the world was such a fragmented place with so many divisions among nations and people of different religions and races. I saw that these divisions are incurable and felt it so deeply that I cried for a long time. That is how things go sometimes. We are the world. Love to all Harsha Michael Bindel [michaelbindel (AT) tiscali (DOT) it] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:24 AMTo: Subject: Re: Re: Urgent request HARSHA Dearest Antoine, why should I offend you? Thank you for your loving understanding! Great help it is indeed - it shows me that "I" am not alone seeing and feeling this turmoil. And I feel myself being graced having "found" Ramana and this group and you Antoine.... Go and plant flowers - the best thing we can do in the outside world...... With all my gratitude and love michael bindel - Antoine Carré Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:47 AM Re: Re: Urgent request HARSHA Michael, I don't have much to say, yet I wanted to let you know I love the way you open your heart. I felt it would not be fair for me to feel so much beauty in the sincerity of your words and not say a word back. So here I am typing back, instead of going to plant a few flowers outside. Thank you for sharing what each one of us feels in a way or another. I think I know why the fire of the turmoil you express will not find fuel here. Sometimes I am presumptuous, hope it won't offend anyone... Turmoil's spreads out much more faster than the wisdom of living the moment. It is easy to spread turmoil. It is hard to cultivate the wisdom of the moment, it can only come from within, some say. I find there is a high level of such cultivation here... A chance there is pain to bring some people back to the moment, and balance the equation. Without pain, I believe it would have been a long time that our race would not be here. Talking for myself now, Michael, you can try to offend me by anything you write. The times I remember I got offended, in retrospective, I was the only cause of feeling that way. May the joy of Shakti gently flow, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Deaqr Eugene thank you again for your answer..... I feel I got it.... where are you from? Love Michael Bindel - "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000 <> Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:35 PM Re: Urgent request HARSHA > Hi Michael > I'm not trying to be cute but > I suggest only answer if you must > tomorrow who knows > but you gotta know > I'm not asking anything of you > or better > I have no question of you > So the answer you come up with > may actually be your own question > > Love > Eugene > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dearest Eugene, > > > > your message is full of understanding/love for my situation..... > > Tomorrow I will answer you. > > In the meantime > > > > thank you for your understanding..... > > > > be embraced hugged and please accept my love too > > > > in Grace > > > > Michael Bindel > > - > > "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000> > > <> > > Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:15 PM > > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > > > > Hi Michael > > > Of course, but. > > > So can we look at this? > > > You actually are alone in how you feel, > > > just like I am alone in a red tint I call the color red. > > > It may help to you commiserate and it may not. > > > Depends on what you want. > > > Not to be an A-hole or anything (although I can't really help it) > but > > > do you want to assuage this madness or wake up from it? > > > I could say something about the fear and suffering really having > to > > > do with your own tendencies toward body identification and the > > > body/mind's attempt at some form of immortality or continuity for > the > > > organism, and the associate conditioning of, or desire and > aversion > > > to, judgments of any residual good vs. evil or right vs. wrong > > > polarities - political, moral, spiritual - seemingly splitting > > > Consciousness in two sides and that somehow one side of which > seems > > > to offer that desire to "be" forever fullfilment and the other > > > threatens it, if only they/that/we/those would/wouldn't because > > > should/shoudln't etc... > > > I don't know if that helps or not or Who needs it. > > > You see? > > > And this kind of thing, this moment of "no solution" is loaded > > > with "stuff" that's great to look at. > > > But it also seem that at the moment of "impact" or when we are > > > personaly in the throws of the emotion of it, it's most difficult > > > (i.e. fearfull) to look directly at one's own mind and see the > > > thread, but it also seems to be where the most energy is > compacted > > > and the release is most profound. It may just be Michael's time > in > > > the "fire." > > > Look at the Maharshi story, in a moment of terror, of feeling > like he > > > was dyng, that the identity "popped." > > > Or Jesus', on the cross going from "Why me" to "into Thine Hands." > > > I'm not saying looking for a shared concern isn't valuable. > > > I mean the 12 Step programs are exactly that energy. > > > Timing or ripeness is everything and "your" ripeness is not yuour > > > doing or willing. It is Consciousness or The Self that's calling > any > > > shots, if there are any(and to be honest there aren't any causes > or > > > reasons)...but that's a quantum leap I think, to no choice, no > will, > > > no way, no problem no solution, just Is, as It Is. > > > You see what I mean? > > > I been thinking about this and it seems to me, that once one > becomes > > > a "seeker", that is if awakening isn't spontaneous, then the > final > > > options are metta-devastation or a Guru for a tiny moment and to > be > > > honest probably both for most of us... > > > > > > I could be wrong about that. > > > > > > But from my own experience that I can commiserate with you...when > all > > > the righteousness and indignation defenses are lost, when the > > > projection of pain ceases to go out there is when the horror of > being > > > separate, of being unloving and unlovable and unforgiving and > > > unforgivable is completely and only my identity and it's just the > > > pure terror that the horror in the world is my thought, when I > want > > > anything but my thinking and when the terror becomes so complete > and > > > total, that there is nothing left to fear...there never was > anything > > > to fear > > > I love you Michael > > > Eugene > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Eugene, > > > > > > > > thank you for your answer. > > > > Of course its ultrapersonal for me and of course I reached some > > > level and > > > > have to jump again..... > > > > But it helps somehow to see that I am not completely alone by > > > seeing feeling > > > > what I see and feel.... > > > > > > > > With love > > > > > > > > Michael Bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "E. J. Shearn" <ejs22_2000> > > > > <> > > > > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:30 PM > > > > Re: Urgent request HARSHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > Michael and Harsha, > > > > > Thank you > > > > > I don't have the solution to this madness, although I would > say > > > it is > > > > > ultra-personal to you Michael or anybody who FEELS Michael or > as > > > him > > > > > now. But it reminds me, as if it has the same spring like, > lotus > > > > > blossom fragrance of the Buddha's dilema upon leaving > the "palace" > > > > > were he discoved for himself, personaly and directly, > mankind's > > > > > suffering. The sight/sense of which gave him the inspiration > and > > > > > dedication to go sit under the Bhodi Tree until he personally > > > found > > > > > the answer within himself...As much as that sucks, being > absent > > > > > solution(?!), I do believe this is some next level, real > deal, > > > depth > > > > > of inquirey wise and no theory or philosophy can help. > > > > > anyway that and $2.50 might get you a gallon of gas > somewhere :- > > > ))) > > > > > thank you > > > > > Eugene > > > > > > > > > > , "harshaimtm" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one > knows > > > > > > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings to the cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Michael Bindel" > > > > > > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Harsha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for your loving answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see > how > > > this > > > > > > poor > > > > > > > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of > > > video.... > > > > > > > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he > > > too - > > > > > > like the > > > > > > > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > > > > > > passport. > > > > > > > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual > war > > > > > between > > > > > > > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and > how "the" > > > > > > muslim are > > > > > > > winning it. > > > > > > > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not > > > always > > > > > > stupid > > > > > > > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so > on... > > > > > > > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to > believe > > > > > > everything, > > > > > > > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this > > > theme is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > discussed at all in our satsang. > > > > > > > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all > this > > > > > stuff > > > > > > for > > > > > > > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are > feeling > > > > > about > > > > > > all this > > > > > > > ongoing turmoil....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and > loving > > > Ramana > > > > > > and trying > > > > > > > to live accordingly did lead me a long way > > > > > > > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" > feel to > > > > > > be "sucked > > > > > > > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort > to > > > find > > > > > > GD in > > > > > > > myself and to live accordingly. > > > > > > > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". > But I > > > > > > have learned > > > > > > > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats > not. > > > > > > This gift > > > > > > > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru". > > > > > > > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid > word > > > came > > > > > by > > > > > > myself, > > > > > > > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to > get > > > > > > books before > > > > > > > "my" discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the > Globe > > > have > > > > > > no idea > > > > > > > whats going on on our planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my > > > curious > > > > > > mind or my > > > > > > > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for > answers > > > why > > > > > > why > > > > > > > why...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So that is my question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for > > > whoever > > > > > > this are > > > > > > > troubling fundamental questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > michael bindel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > > > > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 And love to you Harsha.. - Harsha Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:43 AM RE: Re: Urgent request HARSHA Dear Michael: Mahatama Gandhi never visited Ramanaashram, although many of his followers did. When Ramana Maharshi heard that Gandhiji had been assassinated, Sri Ramana was weeping. The Sage said that people like Gandhiji know beforehand when they are going to pass away but keep quiet and do not create a commotion. Our bodies are made of universal matter that is common to all and so it is natural for us to feel and know the suffering of others. Once I was meditating and saw that the world was such a fragmented place with so many divisions among nations and people of different religions and races. I saw that these divisions are incurable and felt it so deeply that I cried for a long time. That is how things go sometimes. We are the world. Love to all Harsha Michael Bindel [michaelbindel (AT) tiscali (DOT) it] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:24 AMTo: Subject: Re: Re: Urgent request HARSHA Dearest Antoine, why should I offend you? Thank you for your loving understanding! Great help it is indeed - it shows me that "I" am not alone seeing and feeling this turmoil. And I feel myself being graced having "found" Ramana and this group and you Antoine.... Go and plant flowers - the best thing we can do in the outside world...... With all my gratitude and love michael bindel - Antoine Carré Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:47 AM Re: Re: Urgent request HARSHA Michael, I don't have much to say, yet I wanted to let you know I love the way you open your heart. I felt it would not be fair for me to feel so much beauty in the sincerity of your words and not say a word back. So here I am typing back, instead of going to plant a few flowers outside. Thank you for sharing what each one of us feels in a way or another. I think I know why the fire of the turmoil you express will not find fuel here. Sometimes I am presumptuous, hope it won't offend anyone... Turmoil's spreads out much more faster than the wisdom of living the moment. It is easy to spread turmoil. It is hard to cultivate the wisdom of the moment, it can only come from within, some say. I find there is a high level of such cultivation here... A chance there is pain to bring some people back to the moment, and balance the equation. Without pain, I believe it would have been a long time that our race would not be here. Talking for myself now, Michael, you can try to offend me by anything you write. The times I remember I got offended, in retrospective, I was the only cause of feeling that way. May the joy of Shakti gently flow, Antoine/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Dear Harsha, after "digesting" the love I felt in your mail in the mails I got I have to ask you - seemingly I must be rather "stupid" because I did not got the meaning of the following sentence of yours It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either. intuitevely I "understood" we have no idea why...... Sorry for disturbing you yours in love Michael Bindel - "harshaimtm" <harsha (AT) cox (DOT) net> <> Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:17 PM Re: Urgent request HARSHA > Thank you for raising this issue Michaelji.> > We can discuss it and perhaps someone can comment on it as well. > > It seems like no one knows where they came from and no one knows > where they are going. We are not sure where we are either.> > Blessings to the cosmos.> > Love to all> Harsha> > > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote:> > Dear Harsha,> > > > thank you for your loving answer.> > > > I recently got a video by email in which you could see how this > poor> > american jewish guy berg was decapicated in front of video....> > It was transmitted by american TV without stating that he too - > like the> > Perl - was jewish. He had a israeli entry visa mark in his > passport.> > I got a very interesting notice about how the spiritual war between> > "christians" and "muslims" in growing day by day and how "the" > muslim are> > winning it.> > There is talk about the "end of the days" in so many not always > stupid> > website - christian, fundamentilist, islamists and so on...> > Besides dear friend/s being myself not sooo stupid to believe > everything,> > but I feel whats right or wrong. And I wondered why this theme is > not> > discussed at all in our satsang.> > As I did not want to disturb anybody I did send you all this stuff > for> > checking it. Was waiting for your reply what you are feeling about > all this> > ongoing turmoil.......> > > > > > I do not trust my mind too much so my finding and loving Ramana > and trying> > to live accordingly did lead me a long way> > and "funningly" some days ago I "recognized" that "I" feel to > be "sucked> > inwards" into the Self by my relentless love and effort to find > GD in> > myself and to live accordingly.> > Of course all this could be a minds play with "myself". But I > have learned> > in this life already to "feel" whats authentic and whats not. > This gift> > helped me never to fall in the trap of a "Guru".> > All my spiritual "achievements" sri for this stupid word came by > myself,> > without reading a book. And I had all the possibilites to get > books before> > "my" discoveries.> > > > And now I do not understand how people all around the Globe have > no idea> > whats going on on our planet.> > > > Having found Ramana I do not need anything else but my curious > mind or my> > sentimentality or intellectuality is striving for answers why > why> > why......> > > > So that is my question> > > > Dear Sangha do not be disturbed for me or my Ego or for whoever > this are> > troubling fundamental questions> > > > > > with compassion and all respect to all of you with love> > > > michael bindel> > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->> Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70> http://us.click./Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM> ---~->> > /join> > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God."> > Sri Ramana> > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links> > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > <*> To from this group, send an email to:> > > <*> Your use of Groups is subject to:> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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