Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hi Bob, Hi Eugene, You wrote: <Solipsism is not my doctrine. I don't see isolation as a necessary conclusion of the ideas already discussed in this thread, except as the Aloneness of Being, which is expansion and not reduction.> You are correct I believe in your view that Advaita is not solipsistic though as you say the requirements of communication mean that we have to cater to meanings which are inevitably limited by our histories and yet without that limitation there would be no need for poetry or the profound rythms that we can resonate to creating the same soul within us. The mystic spoke of the flight of the Alone to the Alone. Eugene or Bob wrote about the eye that sees the bird and the mind that sees the eye. Then you might ask who sees the mind as we seem to be on a leapfrogging expedition. The advaitic idea is that the witness sees the mind in a manner of speaking. The witness is pure consciousness with the limiting adjunct of the mind i.e. appearing as the mind. I think that must be the basis of mindfullness practice of the Theravada Buddhists about which I know not much -- saying blessing, best wishing, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote: <snip> > Eugene or Bob wrote about the eye that sees the bird and the mind that sees > the eye. Then you might ask who sees the mind as we seem to be on a > leapfrogging expedition. The advaitic idea is that the witness sees the > mind in a manner of speaking. The witness is pure consciousness with the > limiting adjunct of the mind i.e. appearing as the mind. I think that must > be the basis of mindfullness practice of the Theravada Buddhists about > which I know not much -- > saying blessing, best wishing, Michael. Hi Michael, Tha Advaitic view (not doctrine) could be said as nobody is writing or reading or leapfrogging anything yet reading and writing and leapfrogging happens. Same could be said for suffering. The Maharshi might ask (prior to being questioned wihin the context of advaita doctrine) who is speaking of pure consciousness vs. mind? :-))) Eugene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote: > Hi Bob, > Hi Eugene, > You wrote: > > <Solipsism is not my doctrine. I don't see isolation as a necessary > conclusion of the ideas already discussed in this thread, except as the > Aloneness of Being, which is expansion and not reduction.> > You are correct I believe in your view that Advaita is not solipsistic > though as you say the requirements of communication mean that we have to > cater to meanings which are inevitably limited by our histories and yet > without that limitation there would be no need for poetry or the profound > rythms that we can resonate to creating the same soul within us. The > mystic spoke of the flight of the Alone to the Alone. > > Eugene or Bob wrote about the eye that sees the bird and the mind that sees > the eye. Then you might ask who sees the mind as we seem to be on a > leapfrogging expedition. The advaitic idea is that the witness sees the > mind in a manner of speaking. The witness is pure consciousness with the > limiting adjunct of the mind i.e. appearing as the mind. I think that must > be the basis of mindfullness practice of the Theravada Buddhists about > which I know not much -- > saying blessing, best wishing, Michael. Dear Michael: I believe what you said is correct. I would add that the mind is a current phenomena. That is, it only exists while thoughts flow. When they stop it is non-existent, not hiding somewhere waiting to come out. Habit, and involvement with the environment call it up. To have one thought presented at a time I believe is called mindfulness, as opposed to one thought leading to another and to another and have the mind be blown about by karmic winds. Much love, Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Dearest Bobby I felt your understanding and your love. Thank you. Taming the thoughts I am able to checking them too but opening up to others thru talking and listening thats very hard..... because I always thought I can manage to overcome life somehow by talking never by being quit now I learn the hard way to be quit what means for me not only not talking but checking mind........ Thank you again! Michael Bindel - "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham <> Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:28 PM Re: The mirror > , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> > wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Hi Eugene, > > You wrote: > > > > <Solipsism is not my doctrine. I don't see isolation as a > necessary > > conclusion of the ideas already discussed in this thread, except > as the > > Aloneness of Being, which is expansion and not reduction.> > > You are correct I believe in your view that Advaita is not > solipsistic > > though as you say the requirements of communication mean that we > have to > > cater to meanings which are inevitably limited by our histories > and yet > > without that limitation there would be no need for poetry or the > profound > > rythms that we can resonate to creating the same soul within us. > The > > mystic spoke of the flight of the Alone to the Alone. > > > > Eugene or Bob wrote about the eye that sees the bird and the mind > that sees > > the eye. Then you might ask who sees the mind as we seem to be on > a > > leapfrogging expedition. The advaitic idea is that the witness > sees the > > mind in a manner of speaking. The witness is pure consciousness > with the > > limiting adjunct of the mind i.e. appearing as the mind. I think > that must > > be the basis of mindfullness practice of the Theravada Buddhists > about > > which I know not much -- > > saying blessing, best wishing, Michael. > > Dear Michael: > > I believe what you said is correct. I would add that the mind is a > current phenomena. That is, it only exists while thoughts flow. > When they stop it is non-existent, not hiding somewhere waiting to > come out. Habit, and involvement with the environment call it up. > > To have one thought presented at a time I believe is called > mindfulness, as opposed to one thought leading to another and to > another and have the mind be blown about by karmic winds. > > > > Much love, > Bobby G. > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dearest Bobby > > I felt your understanding and your love. > Thank you. > Taming the thoughts I am able to checking them too > but opening up to others thru talking and listening thats very hard..... > because I always thought I can manage to overcome life somehow by talking > never by being quit > now I learn the hard way to be quit what means for me not only not talking > but checking mind........ > > Thank you again! > > Michael Bindel Dear Michael: Nice thoughts. Patanjali said one way to overcome distractions is by gladness. He also said it is gradual. I am glad of all the things I have and then I think of what I don't have. Well that is not gladness. Gladness is being in the heart. Checking the mind is natural to the heart. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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