Vicki/Michael/AntoineUrgent request HARSHA

[Guest guest]

Dear Vicki, Michael, and others:

My own impression is that some people (especially those on the

spiritual path) are very finely tuned to their own and the suffering

of others.

The images of suffering (both our own and that of the world) are processed through the body.

In my view, when the body is not able to handle the amount of stress

that it has to endure due to this processing of suffering, it can

lead to deep sadness and what is probably called depression.

The body has a self protecting mechanism (causing desensitization at some level).

Conscious avoidance of those images and experiences and perceptions

that cause stress may be critical for some people for at least a time

period in order to recover and heal. Turning off the television for a

week or so can be very good.

Exercise and diet are also helpful.

Love to all

Harsha

skiplaurel [vicki (AT) bobwoodyard (DOT) com] Wednesday, May

19, 2004 3:25 PMSubject:

Re: Urgent request HARSHA

, "Michael Bindel"

<michaelbindel@t...> wrote:> Dearest Eugene,>> your message is full

of understanding/love for my situation.....> Tomorrow I will answer

you.> In the meantime>> thank you for your understanding.....>> be

embraced hugged and please accept my love too>> in Grace>>Dear

Michael,I am not sure how to put this into words, but I will try. I

do not believe that we are meant to achieve deadness to our emotions

while we are living in a body. It is okay to feel. These days I

feel lots of suffering when I see my husband's cancer draining him of

life. Is that so wrong...for me to feel another's pain? I think it

is normal.You know as well as I do that all of life is suffering.

The more compassionate you are, the more you can instinctively agree

with this. It has been easy for me to accept that viewpoint this

lifetime, having lost a child when I was in my thirties. The path

for me has been one of questioning God...how can He allow such

suffering. To let children sicken and die? But they always have and

they always will.Heaven is a state of awareness where you know that

you are one with everything. Being one with suffering is the

transcendent way. Not so easily done, but it is the Way. It is not

for us to rebel against it but to wake up in the moment and be one

with it.Politics is not the way to enlightenment because it is

divided. Let the world rage on. Our job is to know that we are

suffering and the very knowing is the key to transcending it. I have

bad days, terrible days when my mind forgets all that I just said. So

be it. It doesn't know. All it can do is rail against anything and

everything. And when I wake up a bit, I know that the long fight to

awaken is worth the candle.Love, Vicki

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsha

your advice is right for me. I am on nearly complete diet of "news"

and "important facts" - funningly to give up this old old habit of

mine was not difficult at all. Strange?!

Too much suffering is too much...

Your mail and all mails of the Sangha did it....

"I opened" and many of you responded in a lovingly touching way.

Thank you for being with all of you

Maybe you might smile about this old fool michael:

I have no other way - really no way left any more - than to give up

completely to THE ONE AND ONLY

not to clinch to any desire and dislike

accept whats happening inside and outside as GOOD AND RIGHT

accepting that I with my intellect and my capabilities cannot do

anything than to surrender in LOVE for LOVE GD

really not to care whats happening to "methe body"

giving up all "guilt-feelings" accumulated in so many lifetimes and by

society and upbringing and soo on...

Like I told my wonderful wife Sylvie just today morning

I cannot do more than LOVE YOU and she answered this should be yours day work

the same conclusion I came just minutes before meditating

LOVING LOVING LOVING ACCEPTING ACCEPTING ACCEPTING

Let GD work thru "me" I do not have another escape road left....

And belief me My mind is full of doubts about my honesty and so on

But s t i l l my belief in GD is uncomparable "greater" than

anything else....

So I send to all of you my honest respect and love

everybody who wrote will get an answer

in love

om namo

bhagavate sri ramanaya

Michael the Fool I loved this figure the holy fool Uncle

Tompa

LOVER

my real friends call me THE BEAR

and I call myself sometimes GDS BEAR

-

Harsha

Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:17 AM

Vicki/Michael/AntoineRe: Urgent request HARSHA

Dear Vicki, Michael, and others:

My own impression is that some people (especially those on the

spiritual path) are very finely tuned to their own and the suffering

of others.

The images of suffering (both our own and that of the world) are processed through the body.

In my view, when the body is not able to handle the amount of stress

that it has to endure due to this processing of suffering, it can

lead to deep sadness and what is probably called depression.

The body has a self protecting mechanism (causing desensitization at some level).

Conscious avoidance of those images and experiences and perceptions

that cause stress may be critical for some people for at least a time

period in order to recover and heal. Turning off the television for a

week or so can be very good.

Exercise and diet are also helpful.

Love to all

Harsha

skiplaurel [vicki (AT) bobwoodyard (DOT) com] Wednesday, May

19, 2004 3:25 PMSubject:

Re: Urgent request HARSHA

, "Michael Bindel"

<michaelbindel@t...> wrote:> Dearest Eugene,>> your message is full

of understanding/love for my situation.....> Tomorrow I will answer

you.> In the meantime>> thank you for your understanding.....>> be

embraced hugged and please accept my love too>> in Grace>>Dear

Michael,I am not sure how to put this into words, but I will try. I

do not believe that we are meant to achieve deadness to our emotions

while we are living in a body. It is okay to feel. These days I

feel lots of suffering when I see my husband's cancer draining him of

life. Is that so wrong...for me to feel another's pain? I think it

is normal.You know as well as I do that all of life is suffering.

The more compassionate you are, the more you can instinctively agree

with this. It has been easy for me to accept that viewpoint this

lifetime, having lost a child when I was in my thirties. The path

for me has been one of questioning God...how can He allow such

suffering. To let children sicken and die? But they always have and

they always will.Heaven is a state of awareness where you know that

you are one with everything. Being one with suffering is the

transcendent way. Not so easily done, but it is the Way. It is not

for us to rebel against it but to wake up in the moment and be one

with it.Politics is not the way to enlightenment because it is

divided. Let the world rage on. Our job is to know that we are

suffering and the very knowing is the key to transcending it. I have

bad days, terrible days when my mind forgets all that I just said. So

be it. It doesn't know. All it can do is rail against anything and

everything. And when I wake up a bit, I know that the long fight to

awaken is worth the candle.Love,

Vicki/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma