Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 This was one I saved and ran across just now. Bobby G.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Excerpts from Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi The sannyasi visitor, Swami Lokesananda, asked about samadhi. B. 1, Holding on to Reality (not maya) is Samadhi 2. Holding onto samadhi with effort is savikalpa samadhi. 3. Merging in Reality and remaining unaware of the world is Nirvikalpa Samadhi. 4. Merging in ignorance and remaining unaware of the world is sleep. 5. Remaining in Primal, Pure, Natural State without effort is Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Sleep 1. mind alive 2. sunk in oblivion Kevala 1. mind alive 2. sunk in light 3. like a bucket with a rope left lying in the water in the well. 4. to be drawn out by the other end of the rope Sahaja 1. mind dead 2. resolved into the Self 3. Like a river discharged into the ocean and it's identity lost. 4. A river cannot be redirected from the ocean. The old gentleman asked Bhagavan whether it was not necessary to go through nirvikalpa samadhi first before attaining to sahaja samadhi . Bhagavan replied: "When we have tendancies that we are trying to give up, that is to say when we are still imperfect and have to make conscious efforts to keep the mind one-pointed or free from thought, the thoughtless state which we thus attain is nirvikalpa samadhi. When through practice we are always in that state not going into samadhi and coming out again, that is the sahaja state. In sahaja one sees the only Self and sees the world as a form assumed by the Self. People are afraid that when the ego or the mind is killed, the result may be a mere blank and not happiness. What really happens is that the thinker, the object of thought and thinking all merge in the one Source which is Consciousness and Bliss itself, and thus that state is neither inert nor blank. I don't understand why people should be afraid of a state in which all thoughts cease to exist and the mind is killed. They experience it daily in deep sleep. There is no mind or thought in deep sleep. Yet when one rises from sleep one says, "I slept well". Moreover, in sleep they surrender the ego in order to lapse into a mere blank, whereas Realization is merging into Pure Consciousness which is the uttermost Bliss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Hi Bob thanks a lot for this posting.... Michael Bindel - "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham <> Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:57 PM Repost from Meditation Society > This was one I saved and ran across just now. > Bobby G.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` > > Excerpts from Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi > > The sannyasi visitor, Swami Lokesananda, asked about > samadhi. > > B. 1, Holding on to Reality (not maya) is Samadhi > > 2. Holding onto samadhi with effort is savikalpa samadhi. > > 3. Merging in Reality and remaining unaware of the world is > Nirvikalpa Samadhi. > > 4. Merging in ignorance and remaining unaware of the world > is sleep. > > 5. Remaining in Primal, Pure, Natural State without effort is > Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi. > > Sleep > 1. mind alive > 2. sunk in oblivion > > > Kevala > 1. mind alive > 2. sunk in light > 3. like a bucket with a rope left lying in the water in the well. > 4. to be drawn out by the other end of the rope > > Sahaja > 1. mind dead > 2. resolved into the Self > 3. Like a river discharged into the ocean and it's identity lost. > 4. A river cannot be redirected from the ocean. > > The old gentleman asked Bhagavan whether it was not > necessary to go through nirvikalpa samadhi first before attaining > to sahaja samadhi . Bhagavan replied: "When we have > tendancies that we are trying to give up, that is to say when we > are still imperfect and have to make conscious efforts to keep > the mind one-pointed or free from thought, the thoughtless state > which we thus attain is nirvikalpa samadhi. When through > practice we are always in that state not going into samadhi and > coming out again, that is the sahaja state. In sahaja one sees > the only Self and sees the world as a form assumed by the Self. > > > People are afraid that when the ego or the mind is killed, the > result may be a mere blank and not happiness. What really > happens is that the thinker, the object of thought and thinking all > merge in the one Source which is Consciousness and Bliss > itself, and thus that state is neither inert nor blank. I don't > understand why people should be afraid of a state in which all > thoughts cease to exist and the mind is killed. They experience it > daily in deep sleep. There is no mind or thought in deep sleep. > Yet when one rises from sleep one says, "I slept well". > > Moreover, in sleep they surrender the ego in order to lapse into a > mere blank, whereas Realization is merging into Pure > Consciousness which is the uttermost Bliss.... /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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