Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel and the West?

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Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:19 AM

Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel and the West?

The following is written by my friend Professor Moshe Sharon founder

of the Chair on Islam at the Hebrew University Jerusalem. He is one

of the foremost scholars on Islam in the world. It was Professor

Sharon who arraigned my visit to the Knesset during the 100th

anniversary celebration of the Hebrew language returning to the land.

John

THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONSby Professor Moshe

SharonThere is no Fundamental Islam"Fundamentalism" is a word that

came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that

goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going

with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There

is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question

is how the Koran is interpreted.All of a sudden we see that the

greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world.

They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who

deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian

or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam

and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two,

except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.The

Language of IslamYou see, so much is covered by politically correct

language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when

we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and

terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and

fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms,

which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one

of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is

like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms.

We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of

another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.Driving

Principles of IslamLet me explain the principles that are driving the

religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact

that there is only one God. But it's not enough to say that there is

only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one

God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the

religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem. But beyond that,

Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and

foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual,

society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you

have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in

the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the

Bible.The BibleLet me explain the difference. The Bible is the

creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if

we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain

scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It

leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.In Judaism, it

leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a

state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind

the Hebrew text of the Bible.The New Testament that took the Hebrew

Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two

kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other.But the

key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual

is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word

to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking

about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible,

even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of

salvation.Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is

highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image

of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the

image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned

them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of

God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and

Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of

God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic

fundamentals.The Essence of IslamNow let's move to the essence of

Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.

Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions.

Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of

the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in

its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity

speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be

saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can

quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let

me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true

religion so that it should rule over all the religions."The idea,

then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this

time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of

Islam.When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven

years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were

taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the

prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and

Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and

accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated.

And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this

very day.Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were

MoslemsMohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets

before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems.

Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem.

Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all

Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran.

Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of

history were Moslems.Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of

these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses,

brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel,

which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.The Bible

versus the KoranWhy then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?

Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books.

Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical

to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth,

Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for

now]. Nevertheless, the laws are very clear - Jews and Christians

have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live

under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam

promulgates for them.Islamic Rule and JihadWhat happens if Jews and

Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam

has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war

against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior

rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they

may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists

left, at least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews

and Christians.A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was

distributed in the world by bin Laden. He calls for jihad against

America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is

the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia

with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia where no

Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word

about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the

prophet.Two HousesThe Koran sees the world as divided into two - one

part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed

to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the

world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying

Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of

Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the other part

which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of

non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which

has to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to

be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule. This is the

norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent

Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome

all other religions.Islamic LawWithin the Islamic vision of this

world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems

themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there

are no differences between schools of law.However, there are four

streams of factions within Islam with differences between them

concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world,

countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The

strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi

Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings

of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war.There are

various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the

centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam

that tried to understand things differently. They even brought

traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children

should not be killed in war.These more liberal streams do exist, but

there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The

Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the

school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk

about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're

talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the

Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that

is being followed.Islam and TerritoryThis civilization created one

very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that

comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time

or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was

under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.This

is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear -

territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the

conflict, but territory is highly important.The Christian

civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a

dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was

created.Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah.

Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem

that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr)

no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is

an eternal war between the two civilizations. It's not a war that

stops. This war is there because it was created by Allah. Islam must

be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.Islam and PeacePeace in

Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be

between Moslem and Moslem.With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem

opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until

Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of

days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two

civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of

cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which,

incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg

after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.Let me remind you that

the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are

reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction

piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was

signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies

and civilization.A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed,

Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech

in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with

the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a

copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.)

Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet

Mohammed did."Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a

precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of

Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of

Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within

two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some

kind of pretext.Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal

precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a

maximum of 10 years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are

able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace"

agreement].In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for

our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent]

peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western

world to understand that they have got a state of war with the

Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be

understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in

Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war

and peace in Islamic terms.Cease-fire as a Tactical ChoiceWhat makes

Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too

strong. It is a tactical choice.Sometimes, he may have to agree to a

cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because

Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's

what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When western policy makers

hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are

in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of

politics."Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of

politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we

haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power

has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have

no doubt about that.Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot

get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what

is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the

Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between

Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the

establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the

deterrent power.Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have WarThe reason

that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because

Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you have

Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic

civilization.What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed

for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?Islamic

InfiltrationFurthermore, there is another fact that must be

remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war,

but there's also war by infiltration.One of the things which the

western world is not paying enough attention to is the tremendous

growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in

America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the

outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will

find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war -

inside the U.S.End of DaysIt is highly important to understand how a

civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we

know exactly what is the vision of the end of days.In Judaism, it is

going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one

nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need

for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and

the kingdom of God on earth.Christianity goes as far as Revelation to

see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers

of evil. That's the vision.I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to

understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam

sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule

of Islam. Complete and final victory.Christians will not exist,

because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in

hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by

the Christians.The Jews will no longer exist, because before the

coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the

Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart

of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in

school. The Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and

they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will

give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come

here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of

days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.Is There a

Possibility to End This Dance of War?The question which we in Israel

are asking ourselves is what will happen to our country? Is there a

possibility to end this dance of war?The answer is, "No. Not in the

foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a

few years we may have relative quiet.But for Islam, the establishment

of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First,

Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now

that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who

thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which

at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem.

Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their

own independent state. It is anathema.And (this is the worst) Israel,

a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that

non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.I believe that Western

civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether

this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the

front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister

civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the

help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can

be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to

salvation.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the article Michael.

 

 

Now I understand why President Bush is killing as many Muslims as he

can. If he doesn't, the Muslims will murder all the nice peaceful

Jewish people and their babies just like Adolf Hitler.

 

 

 

, "Michael Bindel"

<michaelbindel@t...> wrote:

>

> -

> Johnstembridge1@a...

> Johnstembridge1@a...

> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:19 AM

> Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel and the West?

>

>

> The following is written by my friend Professor Moshe Sharon

founder of the Chair on Islam at the Hebrew University Jerusalem. He

is one of the foremost scholars on Islam in the world. It was

Professor Sharon who arraigned my visit to the Knesset during the

100th anniversary celebration of the Hebrew language returning to the

land. John

>

> THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

>

> by Professor Moshe Sharon

>

>

> There is no Fundamental Islam

>

>

> "Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the

Christian

> religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible.

Fundamental Christianity,

> or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing

people.

> There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The

question is how

> the Koran is interpreted.

>

>

> All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are

> politicians in the western world. They know better than all the

speakers in the

> mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything

that is either

> Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is

good Islam and

> bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two,

except that

> none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.

>

>

>

> The Language of Islam

>

>

> You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that,

in fact,

> the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in

the west, we

> try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam

in terms of

> democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all

kinds of

> terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors

and one of

> the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like

a cricket

> reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use

for one

> culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've

got to use the

> language of Islam.

>

>

>

> Driving Principles of Islam

>

>

> Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of

Islam. Of

> course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only

one God. But

> it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to

acknowledge

> the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These

are the

> fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a

Moslem. But beyond

> that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and

foremost

> a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society

and

> nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to

behave according to

> the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are

very

> different than the teachings of the Bible.

>

>

>

> The Bible

>

>

> Let me explain the difference. The Bible is the creation of the

spirit of a

> nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of

view of the

> scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that

is

> important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to

salvation in two ways.

>

>

> In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that

wants to

> have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea

behind the

> Hebrew text of the Bible.

>

>

> The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward

personal

> salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from

time to time,

> meet each other.

>

>

> But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each

individual

> is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His

word to

> salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking

about the Old or

> the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the

minutest ones, are,

> in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.

>

>

> Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly

important.

> This is the idea that man was created in the image of God.

Therefore, you don't

> just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of

course, used

> Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot

of

> massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as

religions, both

> Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about

honouring the image of

> God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.

>

>

>

> The Essence of Islam

>

>

> Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the

idea that it

> should rule the world. Let's look, then, at the difference between

these

> three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely

that at the end

> of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be

in its

> own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity

speaks about the

> idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his

sins, while

> Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic,

but there is no

> point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah

sent

> Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the

religions."

>

>

> The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem

world at

> this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule

of Islam.

>

>

> When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven

years - 640 -

> the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from

the Koran

> and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed,

were

> translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live

under Islam

> provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of

course, they had

> to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are

humiliated to

> this very day.

>

>

>

> Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems

>

>

> Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets

before him.

> However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham

was a Moslem.

> In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and

David and

> Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had

writings

> similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history

because all the

> heroes of history were Moslems.

>

>

> Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets

brought with

> him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is

the Torah,

> and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel -

namely the

> New Testament.

>

>

>

> The Bible versus the Koran

>

>

> Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran? Mohammed explains

that the

> Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed

and forged,

> they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians

and Jews do

> have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely

destroyed by

> war [for now]. Nevertheless, the laws are very clear - Jews and

Christians have

> no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under

Islamic

> rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for

them.

>

>

>

> Islamic Rule and Jihad

>

>

> What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the

rules of

> Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called

Jihad. Jihad

> means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic

superior rule.

> That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be

> Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at

least not in the

> Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.

>

>

> A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the

world by

> bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the

Christian

> world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because

Americans are

> desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in

Arabia where

> no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single

word about

> Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.

>

>

>

> Two Houses

>

>

> The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has

come under

> Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic

rule in the

> future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every

single

> person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described

as Dar al-Islam

> (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the

other

> part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house

of

> non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which

has to be, at the

> end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house

of war until

> it comes under Islamic rule. This is the norm. Why? Because Allah

says it's so

> in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order

that the

> truth will overcome all other religions.

>

>

>

> Islamic Law

>

>

> Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that

govern the

> lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict.

In fundamentals,

> there are no differences between schools of law.

>

>

> However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with

differences

> between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the

Islamic world,

> countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The

strictest

> school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia.

There are no

> games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the

Koran speaks

> about war, then it's war.

>

>

> There are various perspectives in Islam with different

interpretations over

> the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in

Islam that

> tried to understand things differently. They even brought

traditions from the

> mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed

in war.

>

>

> These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is

very

> important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is

extremely strict, and

> today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist

powers. Even if

> we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when

we're talking

> about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian

world led

> by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.

>

>

>

> Islam and Territory

>

>

> This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule

about

> territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-

Islamized. Even if

> at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the

territory that

> was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.

>

>

> This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you

hear -

> territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the

conflict, but

> territory is highly important.

>

>

> The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious

opponent,

> but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which

it was

> created.

>

>

> Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every

single

> Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in

fighting for

> the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies,

because - and

> this is very important - this is an eternal war between the two

civilizations.

> It's not a war that stops. This war is there because it was created

by Allah.

> Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.

>

>

>

> Islam and Peace

>

>

> Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can

only be

> between Moslem and Moslem.

>

>

> With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be

only one

> solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an

eternal war

> until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side

wins. The two

> civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea

of cease-fire

> is based on a very important historical precedent, which,

incidentally, Yasser

> Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed

the Oslo

> agreement with Israel.

>

>

> Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't

believe

> that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some

science fiction

> piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was

signed by

> Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and

civilization.

>

>

> A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to

Johannesburg,

> and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized,

saying, "Do

> you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the

rules of

> Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I

heard it from

> his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly

what the

> prophet Mohammed did."

>

>

> Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent.

What Arafat

> was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had

made an

> agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he

trained 10,000

> soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He,

of course,

> found some kind of pretext.

>

>

> Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which

states that

> you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years.

Secondly, at the

> first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus

breaking the

> "peace" agreement].

>

>

> In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our

people to

> understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with

Moslems. It will

> take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they

have got a

> state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and

strong. This

> should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not

talking in

> Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war

and peace in

> Islamic terms.

>

>

>

> Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice

>

>

> What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy

is too

> strong. It is a tactical choice.

>

>

> Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most

humiliating

> conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire

under humiliating

> conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When

western

> policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking

about? You are

> in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of

politics."

>

>

> Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics

where power

> is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of

it, because

> the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or

biological weapons,

> they will use it. I have no doubt about that.

>

>

> Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an

> impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major

component of an

> Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and

your side is strong.

> The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50

years since

> the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea,

the deterrent

> power.

>

>

>

> Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War

>

>

> The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places

is

> because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you

have Islam, you

> will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.

>

>

> What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for?

What's

> happening between Pakistan and India?

>

>

>

> Islamic Infiltration

>

>

> Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The

Islamic world

> has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also war by

infiltration.

>

>

> One of the things which the western world is not paying enough

attention to

> is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world.

What happened

> in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the

outside. And

> if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find

themselves in a

> chemical war and most likely in an atomic war - inside the U.S.

>

>

>

> End of Days

>

>

> It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the

end of days.

> In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision

of the end

> of days.

>

>

> In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations,

not just

> one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more

need for

> weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and

the kingdom of

> God on earth.

>

>

> Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan

himself is

> obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.

>

>

> I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees

the end

> of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally

Moslem,

> completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final

victory.

>

>

> Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic

traditions, the

> Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and

they'll be

> replaced by the Christians.

>

>

> The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end

of days,

> there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should

be killed.

> I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books

that are

> read by every child in school. The Jews will all be killed. They'll

be running

> away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day

Allah will

> give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem

come here,

> there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days

cannot come.

> This is a fundamental of Islam.

>

>

>

> Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War?

>

>

> The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will

happen to

> our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war?

>

>

> The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do

is reach a

> situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.

>

>

> But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a

reverse of

> Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam

by Jews. You

> know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So

everyone

> who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory,

which at one

> time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-

Moslems are

> independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own

independent state. It

> is anathema.

>

>

> And (this is the worst) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over

Moslems.

> It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.

>

>

> I believe that Western civilization should hold together and

support each

> other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds

itself on the

> front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister

civilization. It

> needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the

Christian world.

> One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual

Christians who

> see this as the road to salvation.

[Guest guest]

Dear Michael Bindel and members of the Sangha,

 

 

--- Michael Bindel <michaelbindel wrote:

>

> -

> Johnstembridge1

> Johnstembridge1

> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:19 AM

> Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel

> and the West?

>

>

SNIP

>

> I believe that Western civilization should hold

> together and support each

> other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't

> know. Israel finds itself on the

> front lines of this war. It needs the help of its

> sister civilization. It

> needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the

> help of the Christian world.

> One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by

> individual Christians who

> see this as the road to salvation.

>

 

I wish that people would take their Islam, Judaism and

Christianity and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Frankly, I am tired of persons trying to justify their

own silly little religion. The actual truth of

GOD/SELF/BRAHMAN cannot be put into words and

practices. And furthermore the "esteemed" professor

who allegedley wrote this "dribble" is trying to

create more division in the world instead of less.

 

In the actual realization of SATCHIDANANDA one

"realizes" the universality of all life and persons.

And, at the same time, that realization extinguishes

all the of temporary and limited notions that express

themselves in the bodies of contemporary religions.

 

Let's forget about the damn strife between the small

minded followers of these failed systems.

 

I love all of you.

 

michael

[Guest guest]

Thanks for writing Michael Bowes and sharing your perspective. It

makes sense to me.

 

I would ask the members to please refrain from posts which are

political and divisive. Certainly, there are plenty of other outlets

in cyberspace for that.

 

This list has a clear and distinct spiritual orientation as given in

its charter and focuses on Self-Realization.

 

I would ask you all to respect that.

 

Thanks,

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

, Michael Bowes >

> In the actual realization of SATCHIDANANDA one

> "realizes" the universality of all life and persons.

> And, at the same time, that realization extinguishes

> all the of temporary and limited notions that express

> themselves in the bodies of contemporary religions.

>

> Let's forget about the damn strife between the small

> minded followers of these failed systems.

>

> I love all of you.

>

> michael

[Guest guest]

Dear Erici

 

he certainly does it not for "the jews"......

lets hope and do our best to radiate LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING

I cannot do anything else as being centred in "myself" giving up to the SELF

and let GD do with me what GDS wants to....

and this while radiating love and harmony

not easy but it has to be done....

 

all the best

 

in love for all of us

 

michael bindel

 

 

 

 

-

"scol202" <erici44

<>

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 2:57 PM

Re: Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel and

the West?

 

> Thank you for the article Michael.

>

>

> Now I understand why President Bush is killing as many Muslims as he

> can. If he doesn't, the Muslims will murder all the nice peaceful

> Jewish people and their babies just like Adolf Hitler.

>

>

>

> , "Michael Bindel"

> <michaelbindel@t...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Johnstembridge1@a...

> > Johnstembridge1@a...

> > Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:19 AM

> > Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel and the West?

> >

> >

> > The following is written by my friend Professor Moshe Sharon

> founder of the Chair on Islam at the Hebrew University Jerusalem. He

> is one of the foremost scholars on Islam in the world. It was

> Professor Sharon who arraigned my visit to the Knesset during the

> 100th anniversary celebration of the Hebrew language returning to the

> land. John

> >

> > THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

> >

> > by Professor Moshe Sharon

> >

> >

> > There is no Fundamental Islam

> >

> >

> > "Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the

> Christian

> > religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible.

> Fundamental Christianity,

> > or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing

> people.

> > There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The

> question is how

> > the Koran is interpreted.

> >

> >

> > All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are

> > politicians in the western world. They know better than all the

> speakers in the

> > mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything

> that is either

> > Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is

> good Islam and

> > bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two,

> except that

> > none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Language of Islam

> >

> >

> > You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that,

> in fact,

> > the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in

> the west, we

> > try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam

> in terms of

> > democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all

> kinds of

> > terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors

> and one of

> > the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like

> a cricket

> > reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use

> for one

> > culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've

> got to use the

> > language of Islam.

> >

> >

> >

> > Driving Principles of Islam

> >

> >

> > Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of

> Islam. Of

> > course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only

> one God. But

> > it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to

> acknowledge

> > the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These

> are the

> > fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a

> Moslem. But beyond

> > that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and

> foremost

> > a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society

> and

> > nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to

> behave according to

> > the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are

> very

> > different than the teachings of the Bible.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Bible

> >

> >

> > Let me explain the difference. The Bible is the creation of the

> spirit of a

> > nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of

> view of the

> > scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that

> is

> > important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to

> salvation in two ways.

> >

> >

> > In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that

> wants to

> > have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea

> behind the

> > Hebrew text of the Bible.

> >

> >

> > The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward

> personal

> > salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from

> time to time,

> > meet each other.

> >

> >

> > But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each

> individual

> > is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His

> word to

> > salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking

> about the Old or

> > the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the

> minutest ones, are,

> > in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.

> >

> >

> > Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly

> important.

> > This is the idea that man was created in the image of God.

> Therefore, you don't

> > just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of

> course, used

> > Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot

> of

> > massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as

> religions, both

> > Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about

> honouring the image of

> > God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Essence of Islam

> >

> >

> > Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the

> idea that it

> > should rule the world. Let's look, then, at the difference between

> these

> > three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely

> that at the end

> > of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be

> in its

> > own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity

> speaks about the

> > idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his

> sins, while

> > Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic,

> but there is no

> > point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah

> sent

> > Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the

> religions."

> >

> >

> > The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem

> world at

> > this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule

> of Islam.

> >

> >

> > When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven

> years - 640 -

> > the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from

> the Koran

> > and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed,

> were

> > translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live

> under Islam

> > provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of

> course, they had

> > to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are

> humiliated to

> > this very day.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems

> >

> >

> > Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets

> before him.

> > However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham

> was a Moslem.

> > In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and

> David and

> > Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had

> writings

> > similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history

> because all the

> > heroes of history were Moslems.

> >

> >

> > Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets

> brought with

> > him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is

> the Torah,

> > and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel -

> namely the

> > New Testament.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Bible versus the Koran

> >

> >

> > Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran? Mohammed explains

> that the

> > Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed

> and forged,

> > they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians

> and Jews do

> > have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely

> destroyed by

> > war [for now]. Nevertheless, the laws are very clear - Jews and

> Christians have

> > no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under

> Islamic

> > rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for

> them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Islamic Rule and Jihad

> >

> >

> > What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the

> rules of

> > Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called

> Jihad. Jihad

> > means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic

> superior rule.

> > That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be

> > Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at

> least not in the

> > Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.

> >

> >

> > A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the

> world by

> > bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the

> Christian

> > world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because

> Americans are

> > desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in

> Arabia where

> > no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single

> word about

> > Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.

> >

> >

> >

> > Two Houses

> >

> >

> > The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has

> come under

> > Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic

> rule in the

> > future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every

> single

> > person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described

> as Dar al-Islam

> > (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the

> other

> > part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house

> of

> > non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which

> has to be, at the

> > end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house

> of war until

> > it comes under Islamic rule. This is the norm. Why? Because Allah

> says it's so

> > in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order

> that the

> > truth will overcome all other religions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Islamic Law

> >

> >

> > Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that

> govern the

> > lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict.

> In fundamentals,

> > there are no differences between schools of law.

> >

> >

> > However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with

> differences

> > between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the

> Islamic world,

> > countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The

> strictest

> > school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia.

> There are no

> > games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the

> Koran speaks

> > about war, then it's war.

> >

> >

> > There are various perspectives in Islam with different

> interpretations over

> > the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in

> Islam that

> > tried to understand things differently. They even brought

> traditions from the

> > mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed

> in war.

> >

> >

> > These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is

> very

> > important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is

> extremely strict, and

> > today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist

> powers. Even if

> > we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when

> we're talking

> > about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian

> world led

> > by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.

> >

> >

> >

> > Islam and Territory

> >

> >

> > This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule

> about

> > territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-

> Islamized. Even if

> > at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the

> territory that

> > was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.

> >

> >

> > This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you

> hear -

> > territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the

> conflict, but

> > territory is highly important.

> >

> >

> > The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious

> opponent,

> > but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which

> it was

> > created.

> >

> >

> > Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every

> single

> > Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in

> fighting for

> > the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies,

> because - and

> > this is very important - this is an eternal war between the two

> civilizations.

> > It's not a war that stops. This war is there because it was created

> by Allah.

> > Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.

> >

> >

> >

> > Islam and Peace

> >

> >

> > Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can

> only be

> > between Moslem and Moslem.

> >

> >

> > With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be

> only one

> > solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an

> eternal war

> > until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side

> wins. The two

> > civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea

> of cease-fire

> > is based on a very important historical precedent, which,

> incidentally, Yasser

> > Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed

> the Oslo

> > agreement with Israel.

> >

> >

> > Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't

> believe

> > that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some

> science fiction

> > piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was

> signed by

> > Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and

> civilization.

> >

> >

> > A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to

> Johannesburg,

> > and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized,

> saying, "Do

> > you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the

> rules of

> > Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I

> heard it from

> > his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly

> what the

> > prophet Mohammed did."

> >

> >

> > Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent.

> What Arafat

> > was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had

> made an

> > agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he

> trained 10,000

> > soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He,

> of course,

> > found some kind of pretext.

> >

> >

> > Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which

> states that

> > you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years.

> Secondly, at the

> > first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus

> breaking the

> > "peace" agreement].

> >

> >

> > In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our

> people to

> > understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with

> Moslems. It will

> > take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they

> have got a

> > state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and

> strong. This

> > should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not

> talking in

> > Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war

> and peace in

> > Islamic terms.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice

> >

> >

> > What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy

> is too

> > strong. It is a tactical choice.

> >

> >

> > Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most

> humiliating

> > conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire

> under humiliating

> > conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When

> western

> > policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking

> about? You are

> > in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of

> politics."

> >

> >

> > Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics

> where power

> > is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of

> it, because

> > the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or

> biological weapons,

> > they will use it. I have no doubt about that.

> >

> >

> > Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an

> > impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major

> component of an

> > Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and

> your side is strong.

> > The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50

> years since

> > the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea,

> the deterrent

> > power.

> >

> >

> >

> > Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War

> >

> >

> > The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places

> is

> > because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you

> have Islam, you

> > will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.

> >

> >

> > What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for?

> What's

> > happening between Pakistan and India?

> >

> >

> >

> > Islamic Infiltration

> >

> >

> > Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The

> Islamic world

> > has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also war by

> infiltration.

> >

> >

> > One of the things which the western world is not paying enough

> attention to

> > is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world.

> What happened

> > in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the

> outside. And

> > if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find

> themselves in a

> > chemical war and most likely in an atomic war - inside the U.S.

> >

> >

> >

> > End of Days

> >

> >

> > It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the

> end of days.

> > In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision

> of the end

> > of days.

> >

> >

> > In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations,

> not just

> > one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more

> need for

> > weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and

> the kingdom of

> > God on earth.

> >

> >

> > Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan

> himself is

> > obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.

> >

> >

> > I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees

> the end

> > of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally

> Moslem,

> > completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final

> victory.

> >

> >

> > Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic

> traditions, the

> > Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and

> they'll be

> > replaced by the Christians.

> >

> >

> > The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end

> of days,

> > there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should

> be killed.

> > I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books

> that are

> > read by every child in school. The Jews will all be killed. They'll

> be running

> > away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day

> Allah will

> > give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem

> come here,

> > there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days

> cannot come.

> > This is a fundamental of Islam.

> >

> >

> >

> > Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War?

> >

> >

> > The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will

> happen to

> > our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war?

> >

> >

> > The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do

> is reach a

> > situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.

> >

> >

> > But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a

> reverse of

> > Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam

> by Jews. You

> > know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So

> everyone

> > who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory,

> which at one

> > time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-

> Moslems are

> > independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own

> independent state. It

> > is anathema.

> >

> >

> > And (this is the worst) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over

> Moslems.

> > It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.

> >

> >

> > I believe that Western civilization should hold together and

> support each

> > other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds

> itself on the

> > front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister

> civilization. It

> > needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the

> Christian world.

> > One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual

> Christians who

> > see this as the road to salvation.

>

>

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Michae Bowes

 

I agree with you!

 

Love

 

Michael Bindel

 

 

-

"Michael Bowes" <rmichaelbowes

<>

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 2:59 PM

Re: Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel and

the West?

 

> Dear Michael Bindel and members of the Sangha,

>

>

> --- Michael Bindel <michaelbindel wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Johnstembridge1

> > Johnstembridge1

> > Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:19 AM

> > Fw: Why Does Islam Want to Blow Up Israel

> > and the West?

> >

> >

> SNIP

> >

> > I believe that Western civilization should hold

> > together and support each

> > other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't

> > know. Israel finds itself on the

> > front lines of this war. It needs the help of its

> > sister civilization. It

> > needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the

> > help of the Christian world.

> > One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by

> > individual Christians who

> > see this as the road to salvation.

> >

>

> I wish that people would take their Islam, Judaism and

> Christianity and stick it where the sun don't shine.

> Frankly, I am tired of persons trying to justify their

> own silly little religion. The actual truth of

> GOD/SELF/BRAHMAN cannot be put into words and

> practices. And furthermore the "esteemed" professor

> who allegedley wrote this "dribble" is trying to

> create more division in the world instead of less.

>

> In the actual realization of SATCHIDANANDA one

> "realizes" the universality of all life and persons.

> And, at the same time, that realization extinguishes

> all the of temporary and limited notions that express

> themselves in the bodies of contemporary religions.

>

> Let's forget about the damn strife between the small

> minded followers of these failed systems.

>

> I love all of you.

>

> michael

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

>

>

>

>

>