Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 , "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > > Prince Hui's cook was cutting up an oxen. Every blow of his hand, > every heave of his shoulders, every step of his foot, every thrust of > his knee, every whshh of the oxen's torn flesh, every chhk of the > chopper, was in perfect harmony— in rhythm like the dance of the > Mulberry Grove, simultaneous like the chords of the Ching Shou. > > "Well done!" cried the Prince. > "How did you ever achieve such skill?" Namaste, A better skill...............ONS..Tony. As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues to do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles. These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.) (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Dear Tony, > >> > I also (personally) don't like many of these zen > stories which involve cutting up animals or the zen > masters chopping of a cat's head to make their > disciples enlightened. Such stories make animals as > objects who can be tortured and killed for the > "higher" purpose of bringing enlightenment to human > beings. A questionable approach based upon ignorance > of the sacredness of life. Namaste H, I have a problem getting my mind around anything like that bringing enlightenment. For the perpetrator or zen master's level of compassion and awareness must be quite low, and his ego quite high and zen is still about the mind anyway. I think in many cases zen or ch'n is just another word for intellectual games,,Nasrudin is funnier............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Well said Harsha. Without a numbed sensitivity it is impossible to kill an animal which poses no threat. A course in domestication of "wild" animals might show beyond doubt that empathy can be attributed not only within one species (like birds) but crosses the species boundary. When a friend at the beach, annoyed that the doves eat much of the food destined for turnstones, decided to chase the doves away, the turnstones reacted as if they were chased away as well. My approach, to befriend the doves, has tamed the doves, the wild wood pigeons and the turnstones: the heavy wood pigeons too jump on my hands for a "VIP" treatment and one turnstone recently dared to pick cookie crumbs from my shoes. Even an occasional lizard will wait for a morsel of bread. Of course science, denying emotions to fish, lizards and birds, cannot explain that but who cares? Apart from that, the sight and sound of cooing doves, seemingly tame, rouses the interest of both small children and adults who know the Eurasian collared dove is wild and efforts to tame, have failed. Peace, Jan Dear Tony, Our energetic and graceful Sri Adiji is not at fault in sharing this as it is considered a classic story told to students about the power of focus, concentration, experience, and depth of knowledge that any master craftsman develops. So the story has a point that many feel they can ponder to perhaps their benefit, even though in some ways, you may feel rightly so that it uses disgusting images of an animal being chopped up. I do understand where you are coming from. I also (personally) don't like many of these zen stories which involve cutting up animals or the zen masters chopping of a cat's head to make their disciples enlightened. Such stories make animals as objects who can be tortured and killed for the "higher" purpose of bringing enlightenment to human beings. A questionable approach based upon ignorance of the sacredness of life. Once we accept unnecessary violence as legitimate towards other forms of life (animals, plants, the environment), it is a slippery slope. So I can really appreciate how Tony feels about this. Love to all Harsha > A better skill...............ONS..Tony. > > As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: > > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called > life.I cannot > avoid compassion for everything that is called > life.That is the > beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it > and continues to > do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within > him/her and can > never lose it,for it continues to develop within > him.He who has > never experienced this has only a set of superficial > principles. > > These theories have no root in him,they do not > belong to him,and > they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises > the whole ethic > of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the > source of > constant renewal for the individual and for > mankind.(Respect for > life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for > understanding.) > > (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1) ===== /join Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click./Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM --~-> /join "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma <*> / <*> <*> Your Attachment: (Image/jpeg) BackGrnd.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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