Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "danananda2004" > <danananda2004> wrote: > > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...> > wrote: > > > , Gregory Goode > <goode@D...> > > > wrote: > > > > On 7/08/04 07:49 pm "John Logan" (johnrloganis) wrote: Hi > > > Tony, > > > Good points. This problem (Lucknow Disease) arises because of > the > > > failure to clearly distinguish the Absolute from the Relative > view > > of > > > things. ===This is a good point too. When one has the disease, > one > > > arrogates the absolute level to one's self and the relative > level > > to > > > others. Or one switches levels according to one's advantage. > When > > > someone blames them, switch to Absolute. When someone praises > them, > > > switch to Relative. --Greg > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > imho "nonduality" means simply being oneself, without > pretences > > > and identifications, regardless of circumstances, whenever and > > > wherever; without the thoughts "imine" etc interfering in the > > > unfolding moment to moment. > > > > > > any forms and attempts of "teachingothers", whatever the > > excuses, > > > enhance the illusion of a seperate identity and exhibit the > > ignorance > > > of purported "teacher". imitation of "enlightned" personalities, > > > copious writings on the subject etc are transparent works of the > > ego. > > > talking about "path" and "walking it" is easy; but in truth the > > > apparent walker and the path are one and the same. > > > > > > yosy > > > > > > agreed... every thought perpetuates the illusory ego "i" sense... > > from practicing intense self-inquiry, the ego "i" is dis-covered > to > > be imaginary... with this realization, the desire to perpetuate > > thought reinforcing ego strategies diminishes... > > Namaste, > > However Ramana says to look for the 'I' even repeat 'I' until one > finds the real 'I'.............ONS..Tony. yes tony, you are right... but "looking for the 'i'" means simply to diseregard anything which the "i" is not, just remaining (in) the natural everpresent (which is not a state) and alowing everything else to come and go, appear and disappear, just observing it without identifying or "personal" involvment. 'i' canot be "found". who is it looking for it? you are. always. when all is gone, 'it' remains - and then this, too, disappears... only the observing remains, no observer lol yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 , "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > , "danananda2004" > > <danananda2004> wrote: > > > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...> > > wrote: > > > > , Gregory Goode > > <goode@D...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > On 7/08/04 07:49 pm "John Logan" (johnrloganis) wrote: > Hi > > > > Tony, > > > > Good points. This problem (Lucknow Disease) arises because of > > the > > > > failure to clearly distinguish the Absolute from the Relative > > view > > > of > > > > things. ===This is a good point too. When one has the disease, > > one > > > > arrogates the absolute level to one's self and the relative > > level > > > to > > > > others. Or one switches levels according to one's advantage. > > When > > > > someone blames them, switch to Absolute. When someone praises > > them, > > > > switch to Relative. --Greg > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > imho "nonduality" means simply being oneself, without > > pretences > > > > and identifications, regardless of circumstances, whenever and > > > > wherever; without the thoughts "imine" etc interfering in > the > > > > unfolding moment to moment. > > > > > > > > any forms and attempts of "teachingothers", whatever the > > > excuses, > > > > enhance the illusion of a seperate identity and exhibit the > > > ignorance > > > > of purported "teacher". imitation of "enlightned" > personalities, > > > > copious writings on the subject etc are transparent works of > the > > > ego. > > > > talking about "path" and "walking it" is easy; but in truth the > > > > apparent walker and the path are one and the same. > > > > > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > > agreed... every thought perpetuates the illusory ego "i" sense... > > > from practicing intense self-inquiry, the ego "i" is dis- covered > > to > > > be imaginary... with this realization, the desire to perpetuate > > > thought reinforcing ego strategies diminishes... > > > > Namaste, > > > > However Ramana says to look for the 'I' even repeat 'I' until one > > finds the real 'I'.............ONS..Tony. > > yes tony, you are right... but "looking for the 'i'" means simply to > diseregard anything which the "i" is not, just remaining (in) the > natural everpresent (which is not a state) and alowing everything > else to come and go, appear and disappear, just observing it without > identifying or "personal" involvment. > 'i' canot be "found". who is it looking for it? > you are. always. when all is gone, 'it' remains - and then this, too, > disappears... only the observing remains, no observer lol > > yosy thanks, yosy... that is all we can do, isn't it?... observe... yet, even this is false... there is no observation, no observer... nothing remains to be seen yours danananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Hmmm. It appears we have an example of Lucknow disease. Who was it who wrote the reply below? :-) > yes tony, you are right... but "looking for the 'i'" means simply > to > > diseregard anything which the "i" is not, just remaining (in) the > > natural everpresent (which is not a state) and alowing everything > > else to come and go, appear and disappear, just observing it > without > > identifying or "personal" involvment. > > 'i' canot be "found". who is it looking for it? > > you are. always. when all is gone, 'it' remains - and then this, > too, > > disappears... only the observing remains, no observer lol > > > > yosy > > > thanks, yosy... > > that is all we can do, isn't it?... observe... > > yet, even this is false... there is no observation, no observer... > > nothing remains to be seen > > yours > > danananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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