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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

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> , "danananda2004"

> <danananda2004> wrote:

> > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...>

> wrote:

> > > , Gregory Goode

> <goode@D...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > On 7/08/04 07:49 pm "John Logan" (johnrloganis) wrote:

Hi

> > > Tony,

> > > Good points. This problem (Lucknow Disease) arises because of

> the

> > > failure to clearly distinguish the Absolute from the Relative

> view

> > of

> > > things. ===This is a good point too. When one has the disease,

> one

> > > arrogates the absolute level to one's self and the relative

> level

> > to

> > > others. Or one switches levels according to one's advantage.

> When

> > > someone blames them, switch to Absolute. When someone praises

> them,

> > > switch to Relative. --Greg

> > >

> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > > :) imho "nonduality" means simply being oneself, without

> pretences

> > > and identifications, regardless of circumstances, whenever and

> > > wherever; without the thoughts "imine" etc interfering in

the

> > > unfolding moment to moment.

> > >

> > > any forms and attempts of "teachingothers", whatever the

> > excuses,

> > > enhance the illusion of a seperate identity and exhibit the

> > ignorance

> > > of purported "teacher". imitation of "enlightned"

personalities,

> > > copious writings on the subject etc are transparent works of

the

> > ego.

> > > talking about "path" and "walking it" is easy; but in truth the

> > > apparent walker and the path are one and the same.

> > >

> > > yosy

> >

> >

> > agreed... every thought perpetuates the illusory ego "i" sense...

> > from practicing intense self-inquiry, the ego "i" is dis-covered

> to

> > be imaginary... with this realization, the desire to perpetuate

> > thought reinforcing ego strategies diminishes...

>

> Namaste,

>

> However Ramana says to look for the 'I' even repeat 'I' until one

> finds the real 'I'.............ONS..Tony.

 

yes tony, you are right... but "looking for the 'i'" means simply to

diseregard anything which the "i" is not, just remaining (in) the

natural everpresent (which is not a state) and alowing everything

else to come and go, appear and disappear, just observing it without

identifying or "personal" involvment.

'i' canot be "found". who is it looking for it?

you are. always. when all is gone, 'it' remains - and then this, too,

disappears... only the observing remains, no observer lol

 

yosy

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, "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...> wrote:

> , "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

> wrote:

> > , "danananda2004"

> > <danananda2004> wrote:

> > > , "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...>

> > wrote:

> > > > , Gregory Goode

> > <goode@D...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > On 7/08/04 07:49 pm "John Logan" (johnrloganis) wrote:

> Hi

> > > > Tony,

> > > > Good points. This problem (Lucknow Disease) arises because of

> > the

> > > > failure to clearly distinguish the Absolute from the Relative

> > view

> > > of

> > > > things. ===This is a good point too. When one has the

disease,

> > one

> > > > arrogates the absolute level to one's self and the relative

> > level

> > > to

> > > > others. Or one switches levels according to one's advantage.

> > When

> > > > someone blames them, switch to Absolute. When someone praises

> > them,

> > > > switch to Relative. --Greg

> > > >

> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > > > :) imho "nonduality" means simply being oneself, without

> > pretences

> > > > and identifications, regardless of circumstances, whenever

and

> > > > wherever; without the thoughts "imine" etc interfering in

> the

> > > > unfolding moment to moment.

> > > >

> > > > any forms and attempts of "teachingothers", whatever the

> > > excuses,

> > > > enhance the illusion of a seperate identity and exhibit the

> > > ignorance

> > > > of purported "teacher". imitation of "enlightned"

> personalities,

> > > > copious writings on the subject etc are transparent works of

> the

> > > ego.

> > > > talking about "path" and "walking it" is easy; but in truth

the

> > > > apparent walker and the path are one and the same.

> > > >

> > > > yosy

> > >

> > >

> > > agreed... every thought perpetuates the illusory ego "i"

sense...

> > > from practicing intense self-inquiry, the ego "i" is dis-

covered

> > to

> > > be imaginary... with this realization, the desire to perpetuate

> > > thought reinforcing ego strategies diminishes...

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > However Ramana says to look for the 'I' even repeat 'I' until one

> > finds the real 'I'.............ONS..Tony.

>

> yes tony, you are right... but "looking for the 'i'" means simply

to

> diseregard anything which the "i" is not, just remaining (in) the

> natural everpresent (which is not a state) and alowing everything

> else to come and go, appear and disappear, just observing it

without

> identifying or "personal" involvment.

> 'i' canot be "found". who is it looking for it?

> you are. always. when all is gone, 'it' remains - and then this,

too,

> disappears... only the observing remains, no observer lol

>

> yosy

 

 

thanks, yosy...

 

that is all we can do, isn't it?... observe...

 

yet, even this is false... there is no observation, no observer...

 

nothing remains to be seen

 

yours

 

danananda

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Hmmm. It appears we have an example of Lucknow disease.

 

Who was it who wrote the reply below? :-)

> yes tony, you are right... but "looking for the 'i'" means simply

> to

> > diseregard anything which the "i" is not, just remaining (in) the

> > natural everpresent (which is not a state) and alowing everything

> > else to come and go, appear and disappear, just observing it

> without

> > identifying or "personal" involvment.

> > 'i' canot be "found". who is it looking for it?

> > you are. always. when all is gone, 'it' remains - and then this,

> too,

> > disappears... only the observing remains, no observer lol

> >

> > yosy

>

>

> thanks, yosy...

>

> that is all we can do, isn't it?... observe...

>

> yet, even this is false... there is no observation, no observer...

>

> nothing remains to be seen

>

> yours

>

> danananda

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