Chhaganlal Yogi...How the Maharshi Came to Me...Part II

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I had recently posted the first link below as an email only.

I went back and turned it into a webpage with my own layout.

I also discovered that there are five parts in total to Chhaganlal's story.

Part II is also posted in the link below. To be continued :-)

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/I.htm

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/II.htm

Love,

Joyce

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Dear Lady Joycewhat a joy this early morning thru your wonderful effort

please feel embraced with a huge smile of inner happiness

yours

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Chhaganlal Yogi...How the Maharshi Came to Me...Part II >Sun,

18 Jul 2004 21:53:27 -0400 > >I had recently posted the first link

below as an email only. >I went back and turned it into a webpage

with my own layout. >I also discovered that there are five parts in

total to Chhaganlal's story. >Part II is also posted in the link

below. To be continued :-) >

>http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/I.htm >

>http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/II.htm >

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Thanks ! for sharing the experiences of Chhaganlal Yogi.

But not able to understand the emotional feelings I experience while

reading...........perhaps still I have to go a long way to properly comprehend

the 'Advaita' philosophy.

Love & Om Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

I had recently posted the first link below as an email only.

I went back and turned it into a webpage with my own layout.

I also discovered that there are five parts in total to Chhaganlal's story.

Part II is also posted in the link below. To be continued :-)

 

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/I.htm

 

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/II.htm

 

Love,

 

Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Harshaji, in another thread of the same cloth, wrote:

 

Even surrender is not possible by self-effort but comes to the devotee only due

to grace of Bhagavan. All is Grace.

 

Doraji wrote:

 

Dear Joyce,

Thanks ! for sharing the experiences of Chhaganlal Yogi.

But not able to understand the emotional feelings I experience while

reading...........perhaps still I have to go a long way to properly comprehend

the 'Advaita' philosophy.

Love & Om

 

Dear Doraji:

 

Perhaps it is by Grace that you are already there :-)

 

Love,

 

Joyce

Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

I had recently posted the first link below as an email only.

I went back and turned it into a webpage with my own layout.

I also discovered that there are five parts in total to Chhaganlal's story.

Part II is also posted in the link below. To be continued :-)

 

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/I.htm

 

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ramana/Stories/Chhaganlal%20Yogi/II.htm

 

Love,

 

Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yes, even surrennder is possible only because of the Grace...

 

for me, it is like this:

 

the free-will we seem to have is like the free-will of a dream

character in your dream;

 

say, you dream tonight that you are in a cinema house watching a

movie with 100's of people, if the person next to you takes a mobile

phone call annoying you in a loud voice and you object to it and he

says: "its my cell phone, when I get a call I attend to it, what's

your problem?"; you show him a face that conveys disgust and he slaps

you, and.....

 

you wake up...

 

now, after you woke up what happened to the person with the cell?

gone....

 

say you remember the person/incident somewhat even after waking up,

and you describe it to your friend who is argumentative by

nature.....; what if the friend (in your waking state) says that the

dream person was right in slapping you ? would you get angry? you

would simply brush it aside "hey the whole thing was a dream, the

cell phone nagger does not exist, so why bother?"

 

so in this 'dream' called 'our life', the free-will is apparent and

appears "very real" only to the 'dreamer' but he/she (the dreamer) is

very bound and programmed by the 'waker' to think/behave in a

particular way and they just think and do based on the programming....

 

of course, you may say 'life is not a dream because everything is

real here; I have a body, I have emotions/feelings' etc.; also you

may say 'if that was the case, how come my dream (of this life) is

same as my friend's dream (of his/her life)'; meaning you would

ask : 'how come two lives (which Murthy is saying are 'dreams')

coincide with each other and the characters are all same)? we don't

see that happening in our regular night-time dream..

 

that is because in the dream of life, the waker is 'only one'; It

(this singular 'waker') is dreaming as several different microcosmic

dreamers and each dreamer is producing their own environment (for ex.

I am born in India whereas John is born in England) based on their

own 'conditioning'; so when each apparent microcosmic 'dreamer' wakes

up, then they get to know for themselves that they are nothing but

the 'singular waker' who is dreaming all the dreams...

 

the key is for the 'dreamer' to know he or she is indeed the 'waker'

while still in 'one such' dream....

 

that is why those who have "woken up" while still continuing in the

dream, like Shri. Bhagavan, keep repeating the same think to us, the

other dream characters: 'hey, wake up, you are in a dream, you don't

exist as the dreamer it is just illusory existence, you exist only as

the waker, so wake up';

 

but since we are bound, we think He is talking about some esoterical

abstract concept that is irrelevant for us and continue like robots

in this 'programmed dream' and get to 'sleep' eventually (which is

nothing but dying) till we get to another 'dream' life....;

 

note that, in general, like we don't carry memory from one regular

night-time dream to another regular night-time dream we don't have

memory continuing from one life to another...

 

one who has understood (even just intellectually) that he/she is

bound is blessed; their understanding will lead them to 'give

up', 'let go', "put the burden on the 'waker' and just be thankful"

(this is what is Bhakthi, isn't it?), "feel insiginificant" and in

general, in advanced stages, "act mad" from a bound person's

viewpoint but ultimately he/she will vanish into nothing and they

will know first-hand the "waker"'s moves while still in the

dream...and It (the waker) will have taken over openly (It always had

control but now it is in the open bcoz the dreamer does not exist)....

 

and of course, the other one who thinks that he is "free" is bound

seemingly eternally, till they come to a stage when they understand

(yes, only intellectually at this stage) that they are indeed bound;

this happens when after many lives (dreams) of generally 'happy'

events, in some lives (dreams) the dreamer sees nothing happening

alright even if they use their free-will, things becoming miserable

day-by-day or they are simply not satisfied with the results and go

for more and more and get tired ...

 

thanks Murthy

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

> Harshaji, in another thread of the same cloth, wrote:

>

> Even surrender is not possible by self-effort but comes

> to the devotee only due to grace of Bhagavan. All is Grace.

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RamanaMaharshi, "manof678" <manof678>

wrote:

> yes, even surrennder is possible only because of the Grace...

>

> for me, it is like this:

>

> the free-will we seem to have is like the free-will of a dream

> character in your dream;

>

 

Namaste M,

 

First of all it seems that `all', is actually mind. Sakti is mind,

Mahat is mind, so really apart from individual thoughts, all is

thought. The projected appearance of Saguna Brahman.

 

In the first place all is a dream and an illusion , and we are

operating at two levels, relative and absolute. Also there are the

constituents of the dream to consider. If we take Einstein and

relativity etc, then physically there is no time, beyond the speed

of light. (In fact quarks and sub-atomic particles travel back in

time.)

 

This is Kala or time, and God is Kala or Time. So Time itself is an

illusion and doesn't

 

exist really. It is all a dream of the concept "God". So in this

dream everything is really happening at the same time, it is just the

 

play of consciousness that gives the illusion of progression and

time. It is like lives, they are like a cartwheel and the lives are

the

 

spokes. Consciousness is the hub, and we concentrate consciousness

on one spoke at a time, hence lives, but they all happen at

 

once! However because consciousness has become associated with the

illusion it has to free itself with free will.

 

This entails taking

 

responsibility for our actions , as if we were making things happen.

It is said that we see our future life before taking birth, so

 

everything that is going to happen has happened or rather is

happening. So at birth a veil is drawn over our consciousness, so to

 

speak and then we have to literally, "Act out ", the drama, as if we

are making decisions , that effect a really non-existent future.

 

So in fact when we ponder over a decision and them make it, that was

the decision we had already made anyway. There was just

the illusion that we were making it, so that we could take

responsibility for it and learn. Learn what? Learn that we are part

of a dream!

 

So the illusion of experiencing causes pain etc and eventually

the "Consciousness Realises this and wakes

 

up------Liberated". However as Sankara says it is real enough whilst

you are in it. This is where karma comes into play for at this

 

level of relativity there is the law of "action and reaction ", that

keeps the illusion going so to speak. Until you realise you are God

 

and it is all a dream. "Understand there is no free will for

individuals. They are constrained by various limitations. God alone

has

 

total free will. All others are bound in one way or another.

Whatever one's efforts ,the ultimate outcome lies with Providence.

 

........ONS.. Tony.

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Dear Tony, yes time and space do not have reality 'truely' just like

how it is in our day-to-day dream phenomenon;

 

when we dream, our dream events might happen in a huge space and in a

time-based sequence and the dream characters (including the dreamer)

may feel both the dimensions to be 'very real' within the dream, but

once woken up, the waker (who is the same as the dreamer) would know

that nothing ever happened and whatever was imagined as happened did

so completely in the waker's mind instantaneously and hence was not

in space or time...

 

one anology in day-to-day life one can think of is mono-acting play

in which the same person writes the story, script, arranges the

light/background/settings/audio, acts out all roles; this person is

kind of equivalent to an 'enlightened person' because at any given

time within the play they know they are actually NOT the character,

they know what is going to happen next, they know who is the

controller of 'all this' and they know 'who they really are'; only

thing is they are playing out only one character at any given

time...lol

 

in fact, such a creative person would have mostly 'dreamed up the

whole thing in their head at least vaguely' before they committed the

script/story/details to paper and then to 'actuality' in the physical

world....

 

all this may sound intellectual discussion, but to me, clearer this

understanding becomes based on one's own self inference, the better

they can 'take things easily' in life (though remaining sincere in

what one does and how they do, but not get affected much by the

results) and pursue after whatever is 'real' based on

their 'inference'....

 

of course, the waker should have 'programmed' such a pursuit

for 'this dream character' in this dream itself, otherwise why would

dreamers identified as Murthy and Tony be discussing this...

 

thanks Murthy

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> RamanaMaharshi, "manof678" <manof678>

> wrote:

> > yes, even surrennder is possible only because of the Grace...

> >

> > for me, it is like this:

> >

> > the free-will we seem to have is like the free-will of a dream

> > character in your dream;

> >

>

> Namaste M,

>

> First of all it seems that `all', is actually mind. Sakti is mind,

> Mahat is mind, so really apart from individual thoughts, all is

> thought. The projected appearance of Saguna Brahman.

>

> In the first place all is a dream and an illusion , and we are

> operating at two levels, relative and absolute. Also there are the

> constituents of the dream to consider. If we take Einstein and

> relativity etc, then physically there is no time, beyond the speed

> of light. (In fact quarks and sub-atomic particles travel back in

> time.)

>

> This is Kala or time, and God is Kala or Time. So Time itself is an

> illusion and doesn't

>

> exist really. It is all a dream of the concept "God". So in this

> dream everything is really happening at the same time, it is just

the

>

> play of consciousness that gives the illusion of progression and

> time. It is like lives, they are like a cartwheel and the lives are

> the

>

> spokes. Consciousness is the hub, and we concentrate consciousness

> on one spoke at a time, hence lives, but they all happen at

>

> once! However because consciousness has become associated with the

> illusion it has to free itself with free will.

>

> This entails taking

>

> responsibility for our actions , as if we were making things

happen.

> It is said that we see our future life before taking birth, so

>

> everything that is going to happen has happened or rather is

> happening. So at birth a veil is drawn over our consciousness, so to

>

> speak and then we have to literally, "Act out ", the drama, as if

we

> are making decisions , that effect a really non-existent future.

>

> So in fact when we ponder over a decision and them make it, that

was

> the decision we had already made anyway. There was just

> the illusion that we were making it, so that we could take

> responsibility for it and learn. Learn what? Learn that we are part

> of a dream!

>

> So the illusion of experiencing causes pain etc and eventually

> the "Consciousness Realises this and wakes

>

> up------Liberated". However as Sankara says it is real enough

whilst

> you are in it. This is where karma comes into play for at this

>

> level of relativity there is the law of "action and reaction ",

that

> keeps the illusion going so to speak. Until you realise you are God

>

> and it is all a dream. "Understand there is no free will for

> individuals. They are constrained by various limitations. God alone

> has

>

> total free will. All others are bound in one way or another.

> Whatever one's efforts ,the ultimate outcome lies with Providence.

>

> .......ONS.. Tony.