Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 I had printed out some pages of Ken Knight's wonderful presentation on the Advaitin group, in the hopes of studying them slowly and absorbing more of the beautiful and mysterious nectar of the RgVeda. A few days ago, there was one page laying around I picked it up, and as I read through it, even though I had read it before, for the first time I realized that I recognized the words in this passage... "...Maybe we should try to find the cave of the heart and see if there is any light there. In that same hymn, which is also very famous and known by the name ViSvedevas to whom it is dedicated as well as being the name of the poet, you will find mention of the GAyatrI metre. This will now require us to go further back in time into those Mandalas of the earlier collection, in this case to 3.62. to the most well known mantra in this GAyatrI metre: 10, tát savitúr váreNyam bhárgo devásya dhiimahi | dhíyo yó naH pracodáyaat || 'May we meditate on the Supreme On the all-pervading radiance of the ultimate source of divine light. May He inspire the innermost thoughts of our hearts.' ... I thought to myself with that light that shines so bright when recognition strikes, "I know those words, I do!!!" I am sure I can find them on my Chants of India CD. Well, I could not find the insert with the words, so as fate would have it, I listened to the CD, and there they were, in all their glory and mystery, being chanted with such beauty as to draw you in to bathe in the Light. And for the first time, the connection that they were the Gayatri mantra came together. I had read about it before, and had even read that women were not allowed to chant it during some periods of history, perhaps even now in some parts. I had not thought much of that revelation, and had gone on to other pursuits, not knowing that the I had sung/chanted the Gayatri mantra numerous times everytime I listened to this CD. Numerous were my transgressions. I decided I would put together a webpage with the music, something to add to my little folder on the RgVeda and before I got very far, Adiji requested on her list... "What does the Gayatri Mantra mean to you?" Well, dear Adiji, this is what it means to me...no profound discourse on it meaning, perhaps not even a proper rendition of its chanting, but this is what it means to me... http://www.omshaantih.com/Scriptures/Rig%20Veda/Gayatri/Mantra.htm Love and gratitude, Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 , "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...> wrote: > I had printed out some pages of Ken Knight's wonderful presentation > on the Advaitin group, in the hopes of studying them slowly and > absorbing more of the beautiful and mysterious nectar of the RgVeda. Namaste, There are various translations to the Gayatri but in the end it is the sound that is all that matters. I have been using it for a long time daily and it probably contributed to whatever progress I have made personally. My children who no longer go to any spiritual situations etc etc still use it when they need to, it is the first thing that comes to their minds, in cases of urgency or need.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Thank you Lady Joyce ! You are indeed a 'wonder' woman ! what a beautiful web page you have created on Ved MATA Gayatri! mY heartfelt thanx to you! here is a commentary on this great mantra COMMENTARY ON THE GAYATRI Unveil, O Thou who givest sustenance to the Universe, from whom all proceed, to whom all must return, that face of the True Sun now hidden by a vase of golden light, that we may see the truth and do our whole duty on our journey to thy sacred seat. - The Gayatri I have adopted a translation as above, which is excellent in its giving of the meaning of this verse. What is the Gayatri? It is the sacred verse of the Hindus and begins with Om, their sacred word and letter. Its first words are: Om, Bhur, Bhurvah! The first word contains in it a declaration of the three periods of a Manvantara and the three powers of that great Being who alone Is. Of a manvantara it is the beginning, the middle, and the end, and the three powers are Creation (or manifesting), Preservation (or carrying on), and Destruction. The three first words, Om, bhur, bhurvah, draw attention to and designate the three worlds. The whole verse is an aspiration in the highest sense. Every Brahman at his initiation is further instructed in this verse, but from giving that I am necessarily excused, as I cannot give it in a way in which I have not received it. Unveil is the cry of the man who is determined to know the truth and who perceives that something hides it from him. It is hidden by his own Karmic effects, which have put him now where the brain and the desires are too strong for the higher self to pierce through so long as he remains careless and ignorant. The cry is not made to some man- made god with parts, passions, and attributes, but to the Self above who seeth in secret and bringeth out to light. It is directed to that on which the Universe is built and standeth, - no other than the Self which is in every man and which sitteth like a bird in a tree watching while another eats the fruit. >From this the whole Universe proceeds out into manifestation. The ancients held that all things whatsoever existed in fact solely in the idea, and therefore the practitioner of Yoga was taught - and soon discovered - that sun, moon, and stars were in himself, and until he learned this he could not proceed. This doctrine is very old, but today is adopted by many modern reasoners. For they perceive on reflection that no object enters the eye, and that whether we perceive through sight or feeling or any other sense whatever all objects are existing solely in idea. Of old this was demonstrated in two ways. First, by showing the disciple the actual interpenetration of one world by another. As that while we live here among those things called objective by us, other beings were likewise living in and among us and our objects and therein actually carrying on their avocations, perceiving the objects on their plane as objective, and wholly untouched by and insensible to us and the objects we think so material. This is no less true today than it was then. And if it were not true, modern hypnotism, clairvoyance, or clairaudience would be impossible. This was shown by a second method precisely similar to mesmeric and hypnotic experiments, only that to these was added the power to make the subject step aside from himself and with a dual consciousness note his own condition. For if a barrier of wood were erected in the sight of the subject which he clearly perceived and knew was wood, impervious to sight and an obstacle to movement, yet when hypnotised he saw it not, yet could perceive all objects behind it which were hidden in his normal state, and when he pressed against it thinking it to be empty air and feeling naught but force, he could not pass but wondered why the empty air restrained his body. This is modern and ancient. Clearly it demonstrates the illusionary nature of objectivity. The objectivity is only real relatively, for the mind sees no objects whatever but only their idea, and at present is conditioned through its own evolution until it shall have developed other powers and qualities. The request made in the verse to unveil the face of the True Sun is that the Higher Self may shine down into us and do its work of illumination. This also spreads forth a natural fact unknown to moderns, which is that the sun we see is not the true sun, and signifies too that the light of intellect is not the true sun of our moral being. Our forefathers in the dim past knew how to draw forth through the visible Sun the forces from the True one. We have temporarily forgotten this because our evolution and descent into the hell of matter, in order to save the whole, have interposed a screen. They say in Christian lands that Jesus went into hell for three days. This is correct, but not peculiar to Jesus. Humanity is doing this for three days, which is merely the mystical way of saying that we must descend into matter for three periods so immense in time that the logarithm of one day is given to each period. Logarithms were not first known to Napier, but were taught in the pure form of the mysteries, because alone by their use could certain vast calculations be made. Which is now hidden by a vase of Golden Light. That is, the light of the True Sun - the Higher Self - is hidden by the blood contained in the vase of the mortal body. The blood has two aspects - not here detailed - in one of which it is a helper to perception, in the other a hindrance. But it signifies here the passions and desires, Kama, the personal self, the thirst for life. It is this that veils from us the true light. So long as desire and the personality remain strong, just so long will the light be blurred, so long will we mistake words for knowledge and knowledge for the thing we wish to know and to realize. The object of this prayer is that we may carry out our whole duty, after becoming acquainted with the truth, while we are on our journey to thy Sacred Seat. This is our pilgrimage, not of one, not selfishly, not alone, but the whole of humanity. For the sacred seat is not the Brahmanical heaven of Indra, nor the Christian selfish heaven acquired without merit while the meritorious suffer the pains of hell. It is that place where all meet, where alone all are one. It is when and where the three great sounds of the first word of the prayer merge into one soundless sound. This is the only proper prayer, the sole saving aspiration. AN OBSCURE BRAHMAN Path, January, 1893 http://www.blavatsky.net/theosophy/judge/articles/commentary-on-the- gayatri.htm - 8k - Cached - More pages from this site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Thank you for sharing Joyce. The Gayatri (Goddess - Gayatri is a female name) mantra is sacred and generally all Hindus know it by heart and have a special connection to it. It is chanted at all types of religious ceremonies. It was the first mantra I learned from my father. Sri Ramana once said that if one recites the Gayatri, there is no need for other mantras. In Yogic system of saguna/savikalpa meditations, both light and sound are considered doorways to higher consciousness and ultimately to the Self. Love to all Harsha --- Lady Joyce <shaantih wrote: > I had printed out some pages of Ken Knight's > wonderful presentation > on the Advaitin group, in the hopes of studying them > slowly and > absorbing more of the beautiful and mysterious > nectar of the RgVeda. > A few days ago, there was one page laying around I > picked it up, and > as I read through it, even though I had read it > before, for the first time > I realized that I recognized the words in this > passage... > > "...Maybe we should try to find the cave of the > heart and see if there is any light there. In that > same hymn, which is also very famous and known by > the name ViSvedevas to whom it is dedicated as well > as being the name of the poet, you will find mention > of the GAyatrI metre. This will now require us to go > further back in time into those Mandalas of the > earlier collection, in this case to 3.62. to the > most well known mantra in this GAyatrI metre: > > 10, tát savitúr váreNyam bhárgo devásya dhiimahi | > > dhíyo yó naH pracodáyaat || > > 'May we meditate on the Supreme > On the all-pervading radiance of the ultimate source > of divine light. > May He inspire the innermost thoughts of our > hearts.' ... > > I thought to myself with that light that shines so > bright when recognition strikes, > "I know those words, I do!!!" I am sure I can find > them on my Chants of India CD. > Well, I could not find the insert with the words, so > as fate would have it, I listened to the CD, and > there they were, in all their glory and mystery, > being chanted with such beauty > as to draw you in to bathe in the Light. And for > the first time, the connection that > they were the Gayatri mantra came together. I had > read about it before, and had > even read that women were not allowed to chant it > during some periods of history, > perhaps even now in some parts. I had not thought > much of that revelation, and > had gone on to other pursuits, not knowing that the > I had sung/chanted the Gayatri > mantra numerous times everytime I listened to this > CD. Numerous were my transgressions. > > I decided I would put together a webpage with the > music, something to add > to my little folder on the RgVeda and before I got > very far, Adiji requested on her list... > "What does the Gayatri Mantra mean to you?" > > Well, dear Adiji, this is what it means to me...no > profound discourse on it meaning, > perhaps not even a proper rendition of its chanting, > but this is what it means to me... > > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Scriptures/Rig%20Veda/Gayatri/Mantra.htm > > Love and gratitude, > > Joyce ===== /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Thanks for all the beautiful words on the Gayatri. Some years ago I met a teacher who told me that there was a part of the mantra that was to be done silently and that this gave the other part of the mantra ( the part you hear chanted ) a greater power. This was long ago, and at the time I didn't care :-) Anyone know about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 , "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > Thank you Lady Joyce ! You are indeed a 'wonder' woman ! what a > beautiful web page you have created on Ved MATA Gayatri! mY heartfelt > thanx to you! > Namaste, I have seen several translations of the Gayatri, Taimini's is one of the best,IMO. Most people that I have heard chanting it don't chant it properly, especially westerners. They cut short the mmmms and they don't pronounce the ttts properly etc. AS the Gayatri or metre is all about sound it is important, any words can be used really, for it is all about sound as are the Vedas..........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Thank you for sharing Joyce. The Gayatri (Goddess - > Gayatri is a female name) mantra is sacred and > generally all Hindus know it by heart and have a > special connection to it. It is chanted at all types > of religious ceremonies. It was the first mantra I > learned from my father. > > Sri Ramana once said that if one recites the Gayatri, > there is no need for other mantras. > > In Yogic system of saguna/savikalpa meditations, both > light and sound are considered doorways to higher > consciousness and ultimately to the Self. > > Love to all > Harsha yes. thank you very much, joyce. i learned the gayatri in india in 1977, and it still rises and plays itself in my mind... and rarely a day passes without me singing it joyously at least once. yosy > > --- Lady Joyce <shaantih@c...> wrote: > > I had printed out some pages of Ken Knight's > > wonderful presentation > > on the Advaitin group, in the hopes of studying them > > slowly and > > absorbing more of the beautiful and mysterious > > nectar of the RgVeda. > > A few days ago, there was one page laying around I > > picked it up, and > > as I read through it, even though I had read it > > before, for the first time > > I realized that I recognized the words in this > > passage... > > > > "...Maybe we should try to find the cave of the > > heart and see if there is any light there. In that > > same hymn, which is also very famous and known by > > the name ViSvedevas to whom it is dedicated as well > > as being the name of the poet, you will find mention > > of the GAyatrI metre. This will now require us to go > > further back in time into those Mandalas of the > > earlier collection, in this case to 3.62. to the > > most well known mantra in this GAyatrI metre: > > > > 10, tát savitúr váreNyam bhárgo devásya dhiimahi | > > > > dhíyo yó naH pracodáyaat || > > > > 'May we meditate on the Supreme > > On the all-pervading radiance of the ultimate source > > of divine light. > > May He inspire the innermost thoughts of our > > hearts.' ... > > > > I thought to myself with that light that shines so > > bright when recognition strikes, > > "I know those words, I do!!!" I am sure I can find > > them on my Chants of India CD. > > Well, I could not find the insert with the words, so > > as fate would have it, I listened to the CD, and > > there they were, in all their glory and mystery, > > being chanted with such beauty > > as to draw you in to bathe in the Light. And for > > the first time, the connection that > > they were the Gayatri mantra came together. I had > > read about it before, and had > > even read that women were not allowed to chant it > > during some periods of history, > > perhaps even now in some parts. I had not thought > > much of that revelation, and > > had gone on to other pursuits, not knowing that the > > I had sung/chanted the Gayatri > > mantra numerous times everytime I listened to this > > CD. Numerous were my transgressions. > > > > I decided I would put together a webpage with the > > music, something to add > > to my little folder on the RgVeda and before I got > > very far, Adiji requested on her list... > > "What does the Gayatri Mantra mean to you?" > > > > Well, dear Adiji, this is what it means to me...no > > profound discourse on it meaning, > > perhaps not even a proper rendition of its chanting, > > but this is what it means to me... > > > > > > > http://www.omshaantih.com/Scriptures/Rig%20Veda/Gayatri/Mantra.htm > > > > Love and gratitude, > > > > Joyce > > ===== > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , "yosyx" <yosyflug@0...> wrote: > , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > > Thank you for sharing Joyce. The Gayatri (Goddess - > > Gayatri is a female name) mantra is sacred and > > generally all Hindus know it by heart and have a > > special connection to it. It is chanted at all types > > of religious ceremonies. It was the first mantra I Namaste, Gayatri is a metre..........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Thank you for sharing Joyce. The Gayatri (Goddess - > Gayatri is a female name) mantra is sacred and > generally all Hindus know it by heart and have a > special connection to it. It is chanted at all types > of religious ceremonies. It was the first mantra I > learned from my father. > > Sri Ramana once said that if one recites the Gayatri, > there is no need for other mantras. > > In Yogic system of saguna/savikalpa meditations, both > light and sound are considered doorways to higher > consciousness and ultimately to the Self. > > Love to all > Harsha << yes. thank you very much, joyce. i learned the gayatri in india in 1977, and it still rises and plays itself in my mind... and rarely a day passes without me singing it joyously at least once. yosy >> Il love the version from Deva Premal on her CD The Essence. I mostly love what she says about the Gayatri Mantra She says: " This is the most ancient mantra known to man. For me it is especially precious because my father sang it to me for the 9 months while I was in my mother`s womb. After I was bornwe continued to chant it daily together for another 10 years, at which point it became so much a part of my lyfe I can't remember for sure exactly when or why I stopped singing it (propably teenage rebellion!). It was re-introduced into my life much later when I heard a beautiful version sung by my friends from London, and no longer seing it as something handed down by my parents." Antoine > > --- Lady Joyce <shaantih@c...> wrote: > > 10, tát savitúr váreNyam bhárgo devásya dhiimahi | > > > > dhíyo yó naH pracodáyaat || > > > > 'May we meditate on the Supreme > > On the all-pervading radiance of the ultimate source > > of divine light. > > May He inspire the innermost thoughts of our > > hearts.' ... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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