Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Namaste 73) Jesus said, "The harvest is great but the laborers are few. Beseech the Lord, therefore, to send out laborers to the harvest." Purport:O'Clery. The achievement of Liberation is great but so few want it, go forth and teach this .Also many are called but few are chosen.....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Tony: Cease over-reaching. This isn't wisdom, it's banality. Why would anyone want to know YOUR interpretations of the Gospels? The Gospels are there for anyone who wishes to take to heart in their own way. A true teacher does not recite the old verses or try to steal them for their own edification, a true teacher enables others to discover the truth by removing obstacles. Regrettably, you have consistently set forth obstacles to understanding, to grace, to inner peace, rather than have shown a desire to comfort, to simplify, to impart grace or remove obstacles. Why? Because you are still seeking to find the things that you claim to have already found...you have not really found them, so it all comes across as unnatural and forced. Relax. Let others relax. Do not preach what you teach...just embody the spirit of your teachings and beliefs and all else will follow. There is no verbal solution. It's all in the heart and mind. Peace, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > Tony: > > Cease over-reaching. This isn't wisdom, it's banality. Why would anyone > want to know YOUR interpretations of the Gospels? > > The Gospels are there for anyone who wishes to take to heart in their own > way. > > A true teacher does not recite the old verses or try to steal them for their > own edification, a true teacher enables others to discover the truth by > removing obstacles. > > Regrettably, you have consistently set forth obstacles to understanding, to > grace, to inner peace, rather than have shown a desire to comfort, to > simplify, to impart grace or remove obstacles. Why? Because you are still seeking > to find the things that you claim to have already found...you have not really > found them, so it all comes across as unnatural and forced. > > Relax. > > Let others relax. > > Do not preach what you teach...just embody the spirit of your teachings and > beliefs and all else will follow. > > There is no verbal solution. It's all in the heart and mind. > > Peace, > > Zenbob > hear hear! thank you, friend, for your words of truth and wisdom. incidentally, after trying to reason with tony some time ago, i simply follow what i feel most here do: just delete his useless posts without reading... yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > Tony: > > Cease over-reaching. This isn't wisdom, it's banality. Why would anyone > want to know YOUR interpretations of the Gospels? Namaste Zenbob, As others I like to read your stuff as well, as it is sometimes informing and I can learn something. The reason I am posting these purports is because I am writing a book on Jesus, from my point of view, with an eastern slant. I post on here as prasadam, if you don't want to read them then delete them. I asked if people wanted me to stop and I was told they enjoyed the new take on the gospels. IMO Jesus or Jeshua was a Jivanmukta, so his words are real. The Thomas Gospel is regarded as outside the canon but I feel it is nearer to the original oral Q Gospel. Mainly because of its Vedantic nature and that the sayings are the more primitive and therefore likely to be nearer the original. I know for some reason Non- Christians don't like stuff about Jesus, but in this case the established churches aren't that crazy about Thomas either. It is all a revelation. However I suggest if you like the words of Jesus just read them and ignore my purports. They are only my opinion after all, and I have yet to read anything negative about Jesus by any Saint in India, Buddhist, Hindu or otherwise, quite the contrary actually....The only negatives seem to be from anti religionists and atheist and in some of the Talmud writings...ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Tony: It's not that I believe you should not have the right to communicate, it's just the irony that you keep on the strong message of Solitary inward seeking, but you are outward preaching, so to speak. It just seems incongruous and without the true nature of grace. Leave one path or join the other, but to split yourself down the middle into two opposed halves recalls the saying that a house divided cannot stand. Also, and again, I know that many will attack me for being bluntish and forward, but your interpretations are just unworthy of the Gospels. They shed no new light...they are themselves dead weight and not inspired. How can I say this? Well, I have met and read the writings of truly inspired people. This is not inspiration, it's just studied recitation or rephrasing. That's not taking the Gospels to a new level, it's reducing the delicate beauty of the original messages to some sort of bad soup. For the love of all that's holy, desist in this misguided effort. It smacks of vanity, hubris and false modesty all at the same time. When I said "over reaching" I truly meant that, Tony. I have been silent, just quietly observing and somehow you have managed to drive away almost every member of this group who has any depth, patience, inspiration or sense of what makes this group the special place that it is. Furthermore, Issa, Yeshua, Jesus, in whatever language you wish to identify him, would be appalled at this. Whether consciously or not, you are elevating yourself to a status on par with the Prophets, Divinely Inspired Saints, and as some might suggest, the Only Son of God. I would not go there. I would back off now, before it's too late. One should begin by washing a masters feet, not by trying to fit the master into a pair of boots that you stitched together from old pieces of leather. Tony, you might be a sincere and truly honest seeker of liberation, but you are not yet liberated, and to be blunt, you are not a writer of the caliber that is needed to manage a task like the one you are attempting. For one thing, your prose is pitiless; it never allows itself any humor or self deprecation...it sinks under the weight of it's own self consciousness. Many have encouraged you to continue writing, but many have silently just abandoned this group because it has become stifling and oppressive. Do you not sense the difference and consider the air thick and dry with stale rhetoric? Where is the iam, where is the pentameter? Dang it all, where is the silly limerick? Tony, look deep inside and if you sense any enlightenment, know that you don't have to write this stuff to be liked, to be loved, to attain grace. Grace is attained in the still waters of the spirit...quietly, humbly. If you choose to continue with this absurd idea, I will likely reach an end to my patience and quit the Satsangh, and likely recommend the same to others...with the deepest regrets. It is just that this one apple is ruining the barrel of the Satsangh, which was for me, always a home that was glorious in it's creativity, it's reverence, it's sincerity and love. Now it has become simply a depository for stale Parrotings. Read the writing of Chinmayananda or Ramakrishna or even Eric Hoffer. Don't plagarize and more importantly don't plagarize right before our eyes. It is unseemly. Namaste, Peace, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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