Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1852305509/002-8380664- 7882427?v=glance#product-details Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , "Wim" <wim_borsboom> wrote: > http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1852305509/002- 8380664- > 7882427?v=glance#product-details > > Wim Namaste Wim, How are you, you old dutchie you. Yes I was aware of this stuff, including the 'tomb of jesus' website. Unfortunately some of the stuff won't stand up very well in a scholastic fashion. However the stories from Himis seem pretty evidential, as seen by Abhedananda etc. The problem is when the story was written down, and by whom, for it seems very standard Chrisian ideas to me. No doubt Jesus was in the Himalayas though. I would really like to know what is written in Jagganath though, for that probably wouldn't have any post crucifixion ideas or stories in it...............ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Hi Tony, Doing very well, thanks Tony. http://ori.nic.in/jagannath/intro.htm " Christian authors like Sylvan Levy and sources like the Aquarian Gospel have established that Puri was visited by a Christian Apostle during the times of Jesus Christ. The Christian concepts of love, compassion, charity and fellow-feeling are almost exact reproductions of the value- endowed Vedic paradigms of humanistic tradition that PurusottamaKshetra signified in those remote times." http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0401/ET08-8512.html QUESTION: In some conversations, Prabhupada has mentioned the "Aquarian Gospel" which states that Jesus was in Jagannath Puri. Do you accept this evidence? ANSWER: No, I do not accept the "Aquarian Gospel" as admissible evidence. The "Aquarian Gospel" is not a Gospel recognized by religious scholars. This pretence of a "Gospel" is the work of a 20th century American named Levi H. Dowling that he supposedly channeled from the Akashic records in 1908. Of course receiving knowledge via revelation (the Akashic records) is certainly possible, but the "Aquarian Gospel" fails to pass the test of spirituality. Unfortunately many people confuse the "Aquarian Gospel" for a Gospel from antiquity when truthfully it is not. Our research has revealed that Prabhupada sometimes discussed the "Aquarian Gospel," but we have not found that he actually recommended it to his disciples. In fact we have found evidence showing that Prabhupada ultimately rejected the "Aquarian Gospel". Prabhupada writes: "Regarding Aquarian Gospel of Lord Jesus The Christ, I have taken some stray extracts just to support our views, but we don't give any importance to that book. (Letter to Tamal Krishna, 14 Sept. 1969) Also Prabhupada has written: "Regarding your question about Lord Jesus Christ, we accept him as saktyavesa avatara. Lord Buddha is in the same category also. Lord Buddha is mentioned specifically in Srimad-Bhagavatam as incarnation of Godhead, and yet Vaishnavas do not accept his philosophy, which is classified as atheism. Similarly, even if we accept Lord Jesus Christ as saktyavesa avatara, it doesn't mean that we have to accept his philosophy. But we have all respects for him without fail. Regarding books like Aquarian Gospel or even the Testaments, we cannot accept them as authorities because sometimes it is learnt that the words are not actually spoken by Christ, but they are so set up by the devotees." (Letter to Hamsaduta, Nov.2, 1969) Additionally it should be mentioned that in the "Aquarian Gospel" where it is mentioned that Jesus went to Puri it also says that he (Jesus) criticized Lord Jagannath. We have noted that the style of the "Aquarian Gospel" takes the same platform against Jagannath and Vedic Culture as did the bulk of missionaries in India during the 18th and 19th centuries. Possibly Dowling's intent was to gain acceptability for his literary creation among the Christian critics of Jagannath. In any case the "Aquarian Gospel" casts Jesus in the role of an offender to Shree Jagannath. Chapter 24 of the "Aquarian Gospel" states, "In Puri, Jesus asks the Brahmins about caste. The Brahmins explain that according to the shastra, the Brahmins came from the mouth of Parabrahma, the kshatriyas from the arms, the vaishyas from the thighs and the shudras from His feet. "Jesus exclaims that Parabrahma is not a God of justice and of right; for with his own strong hand he has exulted one and brought another low. The Brahmins become angry at his blasphemy and with threats of violence, drove him from Puri." Chapter 26 of the "Aquarian Gospel" states, " During the Rathayatra festival, Jesus witnesses the cart of Jagannath being pulled and says -"Behold, a form without a spirit passes by; a body with no soul; a temple with no altar fires. This car of Krishna is an empty thing, for Krishna is not there. This car is but an idol of a people drunk on wine of carnal things. God lives not in the noise of tongues; there is no way to him from any idol shrine. God's meeting place with man is in the heart, and in a still small voice he speaks; and he who hears is still." "The people ask Jesus, "To whom shall we bring gifts? Where shall we offer sacrifice? Jesus replies - "Our Father-God asks not for needless waste of plant, of grain, of dove, of lamb. That which you burn on any shrine you throw away. No blessings can attend the one who takes the food from hungry mouths to be destroyed by fire. When you would offer sacrifice unto our God, just take your gift of grain, or meat and lay it on the table of the poor. From it an incense will arise to heaven, which will return to you with blessedness. Tear down your idols; they can hear you not; turn all your sacrificial altars into fuel for the flames. Make human hearts your altars, and burn your sacrifices with the fire of love." This reference above certainly contains a mixture of both pleasing and disturbing words. Such is the work of rascals. Throw in a few words at the end like "human hearts", "love" and "sacrifice" to make it sound like something acceptable, but the gist of the above quote, if indeed true, certainly makes Jesus out to be offensive to Shree Jagannath. Some devotees wrote to me saying that Jesus was a pure devotee and according to the "Aquarian Gospel," Jesus came to India not to receive anything but only to give - to give pagan idolaters something they new nothing about, God. This idea is unacceptable that a pure devotee comes to India, but only finds fault and learns nothing. In conclusion, Shree Prabhupada says that he does not accept the "Aquarian Gospel" as bona fide nor does it appear that he accepted the Bible and other non-Vedic scriptures. Prabhupada says, "The sastras of the yavanas, or meat-eaters, are not eternal scriptures. They have been fashioned recently, and sometimes they contradict one another. The scriptures of the yavanas are three: the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Koran. Their compilation has a history; they are not eternal like the Vedic knowledge. Therefore, although they have their arguments and reasoning, they are not very sound and transcendental. As such, modern people advanced in science and philosophy, deem these scriptures unacceptable. (Cc Adi. 17,169 purport) However, if we choose to accept the Yavana scriptures as a bona fide truth, in this case the "Aquarian Gospel", then Jesus is made out to be an offender. So either the "Aquarian Gospel" is a fraud or Jesus is a fraud or both are frauds. In any case we do not find these books useful for attaining transcendental knowledge. , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "Wim" <wim_borsboom> > wrote: > > http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1852305509/002- > 8380664- > > 7882427?v=glance#product-details > > > > Wim > > Namaste Wim, > > How are you, you old dutchie you. > > Yes I was aware of this stuff, including the 'tomb of jesus' > website. Unfortunately some of the stuff won't stand up very well in > a scholastic fashion. However the stories from Himis seem pretty > evidential, as seen by Abhedananda etc. > The problem is when the story was written down, and by whom, for it > seems very standard Chrisian ideas to me. No doubt Jesus was in the > Himalayas though. > I would really like to know what is written in Jagganath though, for > that probably wouldn't have any post crucifixion ideas or stories in > it...............ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 In a message dated 8/4/2004 1:00:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aoclery writes: How are you, you old dutchie you. Tony, a Duchy is a realm ruled by a Duke. A Dutch person is never a Dutchie or Duchy. They might be "An old Dutchman" "A Flying DutchmanA Nederlander" or even filled with "Hollandaise" Remember, the entire nation is the Netherlands, they speak Dutch, they are Dutch, but the country is Holland. It is a small country, but rich in culture and certainly the only place I know of where the language, the people, the nation and the country can all go by different names! Namaste, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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