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[Guest guest]

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

> > Ah, my work is done. All the comments now have explored the

nature of

> > discourse and opened the gates of Truth...

>

> Oh no it is not!!!

> We need you to keep Tony on his toes,

> and to keep us laughing, if you please :-)

 

Namaste,

 

When I was a child, I blamed everything that I did on my 'golliwog',

a kind of raggity anne black doll, al jolson type. Now banned as

being politically incorrect. Robertsons jams used to use it as a

trade mark.

Now I see I have become the list's golliwog, well I suppose I'm jam

to some and marmalade to others. Like the golliwog I am also

politically incorrect.

The only keen interest in what I have been rambling on about was

from Zenbob and Wim. I suggest Zenbob visit Wim and take along one

of his goats in case the conversation runs out and they need a third

partner. I would also suggest that Wim put his magic K-machine on

the said goat and raise its kundalini. However if the energy hits

the sahasrara too quickly they both may be on the horns of a dilemma.

They could pretend it it is the figure from the Indus Valley or

perhaps seeing as I am ethnic Irish, Cernnunos, the horned celtic

siva/pasupathi.hahahahahahahahah.............ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

, "Benjamin" <orion777ben>

wrote:

>> >

> > so who is this other Joyce?

> >

> > i guess it is time we all 'reinvented' ourselves in true Madonna

> > fashion!!!! Kabbala IS THE WAY TO GO!!! LOL!!!

 

Namaste,

 

I doubt the true Kabbalists would accept this commercialised version

that Madonna is into. Selling string for bracelets for $30 to ward

off evil etc. Gives true Kabbalah a bad name. Madonna and Britney

Spears wouldn't know their nefesh from kether..........ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

Hi Benjamin,

 

You wrote:

> ...and I wish I had not even done that.

 

No regrets, Benjamin, the way things have gone is the only way they could have

gone and nothing could have prevented them from happening... The neat thing is

that the future is - as always - absolutely free... which is something that we

can mysteriously realize in this-here moment of freedom right now.

 

We tend to think that the present moment is caused and controlled by the past...

but it is really the vacuum of the future that invites this moment to be lived

in freedom...

 

There is no need to be free FROM anything once you find you can live free IN

anything...

 

So no regrets... just wonder about the happy freedom that the mystery of being

invites us to enjoy.

 

Quite a few years ago now, after a few too many 'I should have's and ' I could

have's, I suddenly burst out in happy laughter when I realized that those

expressions have absolutely no power... and especially not in reality.

If - just for the sake of argument - they happen to have any power at all, it is

only in that they disempower you, your self...

 

So no regrets, EVEN about the 'should's and 'could's of the past! Just keep

saying and repeating them to your heart's contents until your heart is not

content with them anymore....

 

Happy laughter...

 

Wim

 

Benjamin <orion777ben wrote:

, "adi_shakthi16" wrote:

> Lady Joyce!

>

> However, i was surprised to see Ben (orion777) quoting you on this

> subject of M-M in that list today ....

>

> was it from a private exchange you had with him?

 

 

I have no idea what this is about.

I once quoted something nice Joyce

said in an email about my Swamiji,

and I should not even have done that.

But I never quoted Joyce in connection

with any 'M-M'. May be that my words

were somehow pasted into someone's

message. I did mention the discussion

going on over here, and I wish I had

not even done that.

 

Ben

 

 

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

 

Sri Ramana

 

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Wim,

 

Thanks for the friendly feelings.

 

But just for the record, please let me give

my take on freedom. I believe that every

detail of samsara is predetermined and

inevitable. Our only freedom is not to

identify with any of it. And our ability

to do that is also predetermined.

 

I believe Ramesh says something similar.

 

Anyhow, this is what may happen to your

thinking when you get interested in philosophy.

Lady Joyce is right to avoid it.

 

I may not be back soon. Too many lists

to keep up with...

 

Ben

 

 

, Wim <wim_borsboom> wrote:

> Hi Benjamin,

>

> You wrote:

> > ...and I wish I had not even done that.

>

> No regrets, Benjamin, the way things have gone is the only way they could have

gone

and nothing could have prevented them from happening... The neat thing is that

the

future is - as always - absolutely free... which is something that we can

mysteriously

realize in this-here moment of freedom right now.

>

> We tend to think that the present moment is caused and controlled by the

past... but it

is really the vacuum of the future that invites this moment to be lived in

freedom...

>

> There is no need to be free FROM anything once you find you can live free IN

anything...

>

> So no regrets... just wonder about the happy freedom that the mystery of being

invites

us to enjoy.

>

> Quite a few years ago now, after a few too many 'I should have's and ' I could

have's, I

suddenly burst out in happy laughter when I realized that those expressions have

absolutely no power... and especially not in reality.

> If - just for the sake of argument - they happen to have any power at all, it

is only in

that they disempower you, your self...

>

> So no regrets, EVEN about the 'should's and 'could's of the past! Just keep

saying and

repeating them to your heart's contents until your heart is not content with

them

anymore....

>

> Happy laughter...

>

> Wim

>

> Benjamin <orion777ben> wrote:

> , "adi_shakthi16" wrote:

> > Lady Joyce!

> >

> > However, i was surprised to see Ben (orion777) quoting you on this

> > subject of M-M in that list today ....

> >

> > was it from a private exchange you had with him?

>

>

> I have no idea what this is about.

> I once quoted something nice Joyce

> said in an email about my Swamiji,

> and I should not even have done that.

> But I never quoted Joyce in connection

> with any 'M-M'. May be that my words

> were somehow pasted into someone's

> message. I did mention the discussion

> going on over here, and I wish I had

> not even done that.

>

> Ben

/join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Benjamin,

 

You wrote:

> But just for the record, please let me give

> my take on freedom. I believe that every

> detail of samsara is predetermined and

> inevitable. Our only freedom is not to

> identify with any of it. [snip]

 

Why did you use the word "but" above...? That about samsara is exactly what I

say as well... now read my post again WITHOUT that compulsive use of the word

"but" lodged in your mind as that prevented you from appreciating the joy of the

rest...

Who knows, you may erupt in laughter...

> Our only freedom is not to identify with any of it.

> And our ability to do that is also predetermined.

 

That last sentence, you did not get THAT from any bonifide teacher!

As you say, "To not identify with any of it" Ramana advises "The best course,

therefore, is to remain silent."

> I may not be back soon. Too many lists to keep up with...

 

 

Why overfeeding yourself on junk food for the mind...

It will only give you M-B.

(Mental Bloating

 

Wim

 

 

Benjamin <orion777ben wrote:

Hi Wim,

 

Thanks for the friendly feelings.

 

But just for the record, please let me give

my take on freedom. I believe that every

detail of samsara is predetermined and

inevitable. Our only freedom is not to

identify with any of it. And our ability

to do that is also predetermined.

 

I believe Ramesh says something similar.

 

Anyhow, this is what may happen to your

thinking when you get interested in philosophy.

Lady Joyce is right to avoid it.

 

I may not be back soon. Too many lists

to keep up with...

 

Ben

 

 

, Wim wrote:

> Hi Benjamin,

>

> You wrote:

> > ...and I wish I had not even done that.

>

> No regrets, Benjamin, the way things have gone is the only way they could have

gone

and nothing could have prevented them from happening... The neat thing is that

the

future is - as always - absolutely free... which is something that we can

mysteriously

realize in this-here moment of freedom right now.

>

> We tend to think that the present moment is caused and controlled by the

past... but it

is really the vacuum of the future that invites this moment to be lived in

freedom...

>

> There is no need to be free FROM anything once you find you can live free IN

anything...

>

> So no regrets... just wonder about the happy freedom that the mystery of being

invites

us to enjoy.

>

> Quite a few years ago now, after a few too many 'I should have's and ' I could

have's, I

suddenly burst out in happy laughter when I realized that those expressions have

absolutely no power... and especially not in reality.

> If - just for the sake of argument - they happen to have any power at all, it

is only in

that they disempower you, your self...

>

> So no regrets, EVEN about the 'should's and 'could's of the past! Just keep

saying and

repeating them to your heart's contents until your heart is not content with

them

anymore....

>

> Happy laughter...

>

> Wim

>

> Benjamin wrote:

> , "adi_shakthi16" wrote:

> > Lady Joyce!

> >

> > However, i was surprised to see Ben (orion777) quoting you on this

> > subject of M-M in that list today ....

> >

> > was it from a private exchange you had with him?

>

>

> I have no idea what this is about.

> I once quoted something nice Joyce

> said in an email about my Swamiji,

> and I should not even have done that.

> But I never quoted Joyce in connection

> with any 'M-M'. May be that my words

> were somehow pasted into someone's

> message. I did mention the discussion

> going on over here, and I wish I had

> not even done that.

>

> Ben

/join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

>

 

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

 

Sri Ramana

 

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma