Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 In a message dated 8/5/2004 8:47:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aoclery writes: 76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys." Purport:O'Clery Seek out the truth amongst the false, for buried in all,(even in all this materialism), is the pearl of truth or Liberation.....ONS...Tony. In some Tantric and K groups, seeing the pearl or blue pearl is regarded as spiritual advancement. Tony: This does not mean this at all! It referes to the preciousness of the rare soul that is pure and in a state of grace, as valued by the Divine Father, not vice-versa. The admonition is so that we understand how dearly loved are those people who learn to live in peace, in love and in the rare state of spiritual harmony...these are the pearls...recall that Jesus also remarks to this effect when he uses the parabel of the threshing floor and wheat...that the few precious grains must for a while be intermingled with the chaff, but therefore, how much more desirable they are in the final assessment. Before writing these odd sorties into the realm of philosophy and Christianity, it would benefit you if you fully understood them yourself before you try to explain them to others. Yes, I will keep dogging at you now, Tony, because you have set yourself up for this sort of inevitable critique. All writers must endure the critique, I fear. :-) PS, I really would love to visit Wim, and other members, and I would enjoy visiting with you, one on one, face to face, too. I fear that most members just do not travel and see as much of this lovely world as they should. Hint, hint. Peace, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 > In a message dated 8/5/2004 8:47:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > aoclery writes: > > 76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant > who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. > That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the > pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring > treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm > destroys." > > Purport:O'Clery > Seek out the truth amongst the false, for buried in all,(even in all > this materialism), is the pearl of truth or > Liberation.....ONS...Tony. > In some Tantric and K groups, seeing the pearl or blue pearl is > regarded as spiritual advancement. > > > > Tony: > > This does not mean this at all! It referes to the preciousness of the rare > soul that is pure and in a state of grace, as valued by the Divine Father, > not vice-versa. The admonition is so that we understand how dearly loved are > those people who learn to live in peace, in love and in the rare state of > spiritual harmony...these are the pearls...recall that Jesus also remarks to this > effect when he uses the parabel of the threshing floor and wheat...that the > few precious grains must for a while be intermingled with the chaff, but > therefore, how much more desirable they are in the final assessment. > > Before writing these odd sorties into the realm of philosophy and > Christianity, it would benefit you if you fully understood them yourself before you try > to explain them to others. > > Yes, I will keep dogging at you now, Tony, because you have set yourself up > for this sort of inevitable critique. All writers must endure the critique, > I fear. :-) There you go, Zenbob!!!! Give it to him good!!!! Just don't hit him with your Zen stick!!! > > PS, I really would love to visit Wim, and other members, and I would enjoy > visiting with you, one on one, face to face, too. I fear that most members > just do not travel and see as much of this lovely world as they should. Hint, > hint. I think a sangha retreat would be a nice idea. Harsha had mentioned it once, to Hawaii. That would be out of my financial grasp, but I could get in my car and drive a few hours :-) How about anyone else? Love, Joyce ps Gotta go get the boys ready for camp and get some worrk done. Will check in later.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/2004 8:47:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > aoclery writes: > > 76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant > who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. > That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the > pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring > treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm > destroys." > > Purport:O'Clery > Seek out the truth amongst the false, for buried in all,(even in all > this materialism), is the pearl of truth or > Liberation.....ONS...Tony. > In some Tantric and K groups, seeing the pearl or blue pearl is > regarded as spiritual advancement. > > > > Tony: > > This does not mean this at all! It referes to the preciousness of the rare > soul that is pure and in a state of grace, as valued by the Divine Father, > not vice-versa. The admonition is so that we understand how dearly loved are > those people who learn to live in peace, in love and in the rare state of > spiritual harmony...these are the pearls...recall that Jesus also remarks to this > effect when he uses the parabel of the threshing floor and wheat...that the > few precious grains must for a while be intermingled with the chaff, but > therefore, how much more desirable they are in the final assessment. > > Before writing these odd sorties into the realm of philosophy and > Christianity, it would benefit you if you fully understood them yourself before you try > to explain them to others. > Zenbob Namaste Z, Thank you for your opinion it is welcome, as there half a dozen opinions on what it exactly means, depending on one's philosophical outlook. I am not setting myself up as anything, just posting as prasadam. King James by the way was written some three hundred years before the discovery at Nag Hammadi, so could hardly influence the text. I post what first comes into my mind that's all, if it upsets you I'm sorry. I'm just surprised at the amount of responses I'm getting. However like the stubborn Irish I will soldier on........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/2004 8:47:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > aoclery writes: > > 76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant > who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. > That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the > pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring > treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm > destroys." > > Purport:O'Clery > Seek out the truth amongst the false, for buried in all,(even in all > this materialism), is the pearl of truth or > Liberation.....ONS...Tony. > In some Tantric and K groups, seeing the pearl or blue pearl is > regarded as spiritual advancement. > > > > Tony: > > This does not mean this at all! It referes to the preciousness of the rare > soul that is pure and in a state of grace, as valued by the Divine Father, > not vice-versa. The admonition is so that we understand how dearly loved are > those people who learn to live in peace, in love and in the rare state of > spiritual harmony...these are the pearls...recall that Jesus also remarks to this > effect when he uses the parabel of the threshing floor and wheat...that the > few precious grains must for a while be intermingled with the chaff, but > therefore, how much more desirable they are in the final assessment. > > Before writing these odd sorties into the realm of philosophy and > Christianity, it would benefit you if you fully understood them yourself before you try > to explain them to others. > Zenbob Namaste Z, Thank you for your opinion it is welcome, as there half a dozen opinions on what it exactly means, depending on one's philosophical outlook. I am not setting myself up as anything, just posting as prasadam. King James by the way was written some three hundred years before the discovery at Nag Hammadi, so could hardly influence the text. I post what first comes into my mind that's all, if it upsets you I'm sorry. I'm just surprised at the amount of responses I'm getting. However like the stubborn Irish I will soldier on........ONS...Tony. W# Hey, Tony, ever felt like wondering why you feel the need to identify yourself as a stubborn soldiering Irishman? This is a Ramana list... it is not out of place to enquire "who am I?"... Maybe you need another go at it :-), nothing wrong with that. Oh and about what you felt about "ego" and starting your own list... Try it, to have your own list, for most it is a real ego killer... Wim .. .... /join "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 , Wim <wim_borsboom> wrote: > > Zenbob > > Namaste Z, > > Thank you for your opinion it is welcome, as there half a dozen > opinions on what it exactly means, depending on one's philosophical > outlook. I am not setting myself up as anything, just posting as > prasadam. King James by the way was written some three hundred years > before the discovery at Nag Hammadi, so could hardly influence the > text. > I post what first comes into my mind that's all, if it upsets you > I'm sorry. I'm just surprised at the amount of responses I'm getting. > However like the stubborn Irish I will soldier on........ONS...Tony. > > > W# Hey, Tony, ever felt like wondering why you feel the need to identify yourself as a stubborn soldiering Irishman? > > This is a Ramana list... it is not out of place to enquire "who am I?"... Maybe you need another go at it :-), nothing wrong with that. > > Oh and about what you felt about "ego" and starting your own list... Try it, to have your own list, for most it is a real ego killer... > > Wim Namaste Wim, I suppose so much soldiering is in the Irish and British psyche it has become just and expression. An expression of ignoring praise and blame and getting on with the task at hand, and not worrying about the result too much. I have no desire to start my own list, although I'm on a few, and no doubt could start up one with about 70 members to start with. However I have no desire to put my name up there or sit in judgement and moderation. It has the tendency to censorship in most people, and power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I would rather just be what I am and that's all, and just work automatically on my prarabda karma....Thank you and ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Man Tony you make me smile again... You wrote: > I would rather just be what I am and that's all, > and just work automatically on my prarabda karma.... Work automatically eh?! "The ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance with their prarabda karma. Whatever is destined not to happen, will not happen. *Try as you may.* Whatever is destined to happen, will happen, *do what you may to prevent it*. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent." ~ Ramana Has it occurred to you that the stubbornness you have been able to recognize in yourself and that you referred to in your previous post, is actually due to your CONSTANT application of preventive and interventive attempts (note the asterisks above), the very ones that Ramana identifies as thwarting some automatic process. Your continued tenacity of attempting to hold on to what you seem to be holding on to, illustrates Ramana's "try as you may" and "do what you may to prevent it"... the very things that needs to be looked at while "remaining silent." > I would rather just be what I am and that's all, > and *just work automatically on* my prarabda karma.... It only seems that you "work automatically," but - staying with the metaphor - you may believe that your gear-system is running in automatic, you may think that your gear-shift is set to D for "Drive" but you do not know that your stubborness has gotten it stuck in in P for "Park" mode. Wim PS Tony and M-M? I dont think so, more like Tony and M-I. And a little bue pill will not solve that... Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: , Wim wrote: > > Zenbob > > Namaste Z, > > Thank you for your opinion it is welcome, as there half a dozen > opinions on what it exactly means, depending on one's philosophical > outlook. I am not setting myself up as anything, just posting as > prasadam. King James by the way was written some three hundred years > before the discovery at Nag Hammadi, so could hardly influence the > text. > I post what first comes into my mind that's all, if it upsets you > I'm sorry. I'm just surprised at the amount of responses I'm getting. > However like the stubborn Irish I will soldier on........ONS...Tony. > > > W# Hey, Tony, ever felt like wondering why you feel the need to identify yourself as a stubborn soldiering Irishman? > > This is a Ramana list... it is not out of place to enquire "who am I?"... Maybe you need another go at it :-), nothing wrong with that. > > Oh and about what you felt about "ego" and starting your own list... Try it, to have your own list, for most it is a real ego killer... > > Wim Namaste Wim, I suppose so much soldiering is in the Irish and British psyche it has become just and expression. An expression of ignoring praise and blame and getting on with the task at hand, and not worrying about the result too much. I have no desire to start my own list, although I'm on a few, and no doubt could start up one with about 70 members to start with. However I have no desire to put my name up there or sit in judgement and moderation. It has the tendency to censorship in most people, and power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I would rather just be what I am and that's all, and just work automatically on my prarabda karma....Thank you and ONS..Tony. /join "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 In a message dated 8/6/2004 3:56:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aoclery writes: King James by the way was written some three hundred years > before the discovery at Nag Hammadi, so could hardly influence the > text. How naive, Tony. You are not quoting the Nag Hammadi in the original Aramaic...you are relying on the translation of a populist "scholar" with a strong predisposition to render phrasing and meaning in a very King James Biblical context, who has further, been largely discredited by serious and studioous real scholars. That was my comment. You have glossed passed it without nary a nod or wink. One cannot go sifting about for morsels without well considering their authenticity...and then to add your own commentary...well, Tony, with all due respect, that's like me trying to interpret the Book of Mormon for Mormons, when I am not a Mormon, do not believe any of the Mormon writings are authentic or genuine by reasonable standards, and then steadfastly maintain that I am only posting prasadam. You are not merely posting prsadam, you are attempting to present something as something that it IS NOT. That is a sort of fraudulent act, and not sincere, from a spiritual seekers perspective. You merely muddy the water, you are not clarifying it. If you simply presented your own writings as your spiritual ideas, then we would discuss them on their own merits and that would be sensible. This entir e twisted routine is like self flaggelation where the voyeurs get to close and are stung by the lash as well. Namaste, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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