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In a message dated 8/7/2004 9:36:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

aoclery writes:

 

Jesus was an Essene, no doubt and Kabbalist; that I don't deny. True

Kabbalist not madonna britney spears variety. Books have already

been written on the early Christians/Essenes and Kabbalah.

It is difficult to get real information for both the New Testament

and the Old Testament particularly are unreliable. They are at best

good teaching myths, but unreliabe as per history.

 

Here is an extract from something that I published;

"There is no evidence for the existence of Solomon or David except

in the Bible.

(Chaim Romanescu of Tel Aviv University) The Temple Mount could not

have been built by Solomon because it was built 400 years prior to

the claimed time of his existence 1,000 B.C. The description in the

Bible fits the Palace/Temple of Amenhotep III at Thebes in Egypt!

Right down to the mosaics on the floor, described by the Queen of

Sheba/Saba. The Temple Mount was probably built by Egyptian

Tothmosis III, in or about 1468 B.C. The word David in Hebrew is

written DWD which means Toth in Egyptian. He was the conqueror of

Palestine and David is probably loosely based on this character.

Moses/Mosis was possibly Akenaten the Pharoah, ( this was a theory

held by Sigmund Freud), who was thrown out of Egypt for his

monotheism. The word Mosis means 'rightful heir', in Egyptian. Moses

is also probably, as well, a composite figure from different times

and exoduses. Hebrew settlements existed in Europe, Ethiopia, India,

Arabia and the settlement in Palestine/Falastinia/Philistinia never

was as large as to occupy the whole country.

Most Hebrew history was written in Babylon, for there was no Hebrew

literature until c500 B.C. It was mostly purloined from Egyptian,

and other Semitic, stories to give the Jews a feeling of identity

and continuity. Which in itself is not a bad motive, considering the

times. The Songs of Solomon are a mixture and many reflect a female

view. Also some Essenes never were prisoners in Babylon and

preserved a direct line of Mosaic Law, somewhat on the fringes of

the new religion. Moses is a construct, no doubt of several writers,

and the OT was rewritten on the return from Babylon and again in the

Hasmonean period 150 BCE? according to the great Jewish mystic

Baruch Spinoza. However notwithstanding all this it is as is the NT

an excellent teaching myth as Campbell would say........ONS..Tony.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tony! Amazing! We are in total accord with this! I too have studied these

old histories, and have commented to many of my inner circle upon these

Egyptian/Jweish coincidences and the fact that the 23rd Psalm is in fact the

recitation of the Pharoh upon taking power, as he walks thru the Valley of the

Kings ("Valley of the Shadow of Death").

 

In fact, the claim that Jews were held as slaves in Egypt is not

historically very accurate, either, as the family names, etc. are all

entertwined. When

Moses (from Tutmoses, of course) leaves Egypt with the Hebrews, they leave

with oxcarts, gold and jewels, and all of the animals they own.

 

Damn. Some fine slave life. When have slaves ever owned gold and jewels?

And the further proof is that they melt down this gold jewelry in order to

make a Gold Baal Cow icon.

 

Well, finally, we are joined in spiritual harmony. And so many doubted that

it could happen.

 

LOL

 

Now watch, we will both be criticized by everyone else as being

"anti-Semetic" which I think is very funny. If one suggests that the Egyptians

and the

Hebrews were both an intermixed people, how is that anti-Semetic? Both

cultures are Semetic.

 

Namaste,

 

Zenbob

 

 

 

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Zenbob,

 

Excellent!

 

Now, we are on the samelength!

 

A person's job does not describe Him/her !!

 

it is the 'inner' soul of that person that is relEvant!

 

Madonna has the same 'divine' essence that resides me, you or Tony.

 

and what she does for a Living is immaterial !!! however ,

materialistic that may be!!

 

love and regards

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@ materialism of this commercial world. So, in

the end, it's a good thing. But your

> disdain and disrespect are not worthy from a Christian

commentators

> perspective...recall, Mary Magdalene was the Madonna of her time,

and Madonna was the

> mother of Jesus in those days. Someone will likely write a book

on the

> modern versus historical relationship of all of these people and

names, now that

> they are all linked by Kabbalah.

>

> Namaste

>

> Zenbob

 

Namaste,

 

First of all I am not a Christian commentator, I have no religion,

and my background is Irish. However my grandmother was an Irish Jew,

which in all ridiculousness qualifies me for citizenship in Israel,

isn't that ridiculous?...............hahaahah I did love her though

and met many Jewish people, even at the synogogue when very young.

She wasn't much into religion in an organised way though.

 

I knew this would bring somebody out. The kabbalah is fine with me,

I was into that before Vedanta, but not this popularised, road show,

commercialised version, which even Jewish leaders have commented on.

As I said it is better than nothing, but it is akin to selling

Jnana, Indulgences and Tantra.........It is ersatz and

commercialised.

Jesus was an Essene, no doubt and Kabbalist; that I don't deny. True

Kabbalist not madonna britney spears variety. Books have already

been written on the early Christians/Essenes and Kabbalah.

It is difficult to get real information for both the New Testament

and the Old Testament particularly are unreliable. They are at best

good teaching myths, but unreliabe as per history.

 

Here is an extract from something that I published;

"There is no evidence for the existence of Solomon or David except

in the Bible.

(Chaim Romanescu of Tel Aviv University) The Temple Mount could not

have been built by Solomon because it was built 400 years prior to

the claimed time of his existence 1,000 B.C. The description in the

Bible fits the Palace/Temple of Amenhotep III at Thebes in Egypt!

Right down to the mosaics on the floor, described by the Queen of

Sheba/Saba. The Temple Mount was probably built by Egyptian

Tothmosis III, in or about 1468 B.C. The word David in Hebrew is

written DWD which means Toth in Egyptian. He was the conqueror of

Palestine and David is probably loosely based on this character.

Moses/Mosis was possibly Akenaten the Pharoah, ( this was a theory

held by Sigmund Freud), who was thrown out of Egypt for his

monotheism. The word Mosis means 'rightful heir', in Egyptian. Moses

is also probably, as well, a composite figure from different times

and exoduses. Hebrew settlements existed in Europe, Ethiopia, India,

Arabia and the settlement in Palestine/Falastinia/Philistinia never

was as large as to occupy the whole country.

Most Hebrew history was written in Babylon, for there was no Hebrew

literature until c500 B.C. It was mostly purloined from Egyptian,

and other Semitic, stories to give the Jews a feeling of identity

and continuity. Which in itself is not a bad motive, considering the

times. The Songs of Solomon are a mixture and many reflect a female

view. Also some Essenes never were prisoners in Babylon and

preserved a direct line of Mosaic Law, somewhat on the fringes of

the new religion. Moses is a construct, no doubt of several writers,

and the OT was rewritten on the return from Babylon and again in the

Hasmonean period 150 BCE? according to the great Jewish mystic

Baruch Spinoza. However notwithstanding all this it is as is the NT

an excellent teaching myth as Campbell would say........ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

(AT) (DOT) >

>

> Tony! Amazing! We are in total accord with this! I too have

studied these

> old histories, and have commented to many of my inner circle upon

these

> Egyptian/Jweish coincidences and the fact that the 23rd Psalm is

in fact the

> recitation of the Pharoh upon taking power, as he walks thru the

Valley of the

> Kings ("Valley of the Shadow of Death").

>

> In fact, the claim that Jews were held as slaves in Egypt is not

> historically very accurate, either, as the family names, etc. are

all entertwined. When

> Moses (from Tutmoses, of course) leaves Egypt with the Hebrews,

they leave

> with oxcarts, gold and jewels, and all of the animals they own.

>

> Damn. Some fine slave life. When have slaves ever owned gold

and jewels?

> And the further proof is that they melt down this gold jewelry in

order to

> make a Gold Baal Cow icon.

>

> Well, finally, we are joined in spiritual harmony. And so many

doubted that

> it could happen.

>

> LOL

>

> Now watch, we will both be criticized by everyone else as being

> "anti-Semetic" which I think is very funny. If one suggests that

the Egyptians and the

> Hebrews were both an intermixed people, how is that anti-

Semetic? Both

> cultures are Semetic.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Zenbob

 

Namaste Z,

You will be called anti semitic by some zionists for they base their

claim to Israel, and treatment of the Palestinians, on these

obviously non historical texts.

 

I'm quite used to being called anti-semitic, but I'm in good company

with many outstanding Jewish writers.Chomsky, Finkelstein, Mate etc

etc.........ONS...Tony

[Guest guest]

> > LOL

> >

> > Now watch, we will both be criticized by everyone else as being

> > "anti-Semetic" which I think is very funny. If one suggests

that

> the Egyptians and the

> > Hebrews were both an intermixed people, how is that anti-

> Semetic? Both

> > cultures are Semetic.

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Zenbob

>

> Namaste Z,

> You will be called anti semitic by some zionists for they base

their

> claim to Israel, and treatment of the Palestinians, on these

> obviously non historical texts.

>

> I'm quite used to being called anti-semitic, but I'm in good

company

> with many outstanding Jewish writers.Chomsky, Finkelstein, Mate

etc

> etc.........ONS...Tony

 

Namaste Z,

http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/politicoconspiracy/Zionismdoesntdefi

nejewish.htm

[Guest guest]

, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 8/7/2004 9:36:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> aoclery writes:

>

> Jesus was an Essene, no doubt and Kabbalist; that I don't deny.

True

> Kabbalist not madonna britney spears variety. Books have already

> been written on the early Christians/Essenes and Kabbalah.

> It is difficult to get real information for both the New Testament

> and the Old Testament particularly are unreliable. They are at

best

> good teaching myths, but unreliabe as per history.

>

> Here is an extract from something that I published;

> "There is no evidence for the existence of Solomon or David except

> in the Bible.

> (Chaim Romanescu of Tel Aviv University) The Temple Mount could

not

> have been built by Solomon because it was built 400 years prior to

> the claimed time of his existence 1,000 B.C. The description in

the

> Bible fits the Palace/Temple of Amenhotep III at Thebes in Egypt!

> Right down to the mosaics on the floor, described by the Queen of

> Sheba/Saba. The Temple Mount was probably built by Egyptian

> Tothmosis III, in or about 1468 B.C. The word David in Hebrew is

> written DWD which means Toth in Egyptian. He was the conqueror of

> Palestine and David is probably loosely based on this character.

> Moses/Mosis was possibly Akenaten the Pharoah, ( this was a theory

> held by Sigmund Freud), who was thrown out of Egypt for his

> monotheism. The word Mosis means 'rightful heir', in Egyptian.

Moses

> is also probably, as well, a composite figure from different times

> and exoduses. Hebrew settlements existed in Europe, Ethiopia,

India,

> Arabia and the settlement in Palestine/Falastinia/Philistinia

never

> was as large as to occupy the whole country.

> Most Hebrew history was written in Babylon, for there was no

Hebrew

> literature until c500 B.C. It was mostly purloined from Egyptian,

> and other Semitic, stories to give the Jews a feeling of identity

> and continuity. Which in itself is not a bad motive, considering

the

> times. The Songs of Solomon are a mixture and many reflect a

female

> view. Also some Essenes never were prisoners in Babylon and

> preserved a direct line of Mosaic Law, somewhat on the fringes of

> the new religion. Moses is a construct, no doubt of several

writers,

> and the OT was rewritten on the return from Babylon and again in

the

> Hasmonean period 150 BCE? according to the great Jewish mystic

> Baruch Spinoza. However notwithstanding all this it is as is the

NT

> an excellent teaching myth as Campbell would

say........ONS..Tony.

Tony! Amazing! We are in total accord with this! I too have

studied these

> old histories, and have commented to many of my inner circle upon

these

> Egyptian/Jweish coincidences and the fact that the 23rd Psalm is

in fact the

> recitation of the Pharoh upon taking power, as he walks thru the

Valley of the

> Kings ("Valley of the Shadow of Death").

>

> In fact, the claim that Jews were held as slaves in Egypt is not

> historically very accurate, either, as the family names, etc. are

all entertwined. When

> Moses (from Tutmoses, of course) leaves Egypt with the Hebrews,

they leave

> with oxcarts, gold and jewels, and all of the animals they own.

>

> Damn. Some fine slave life. When have slaves ever owned gold and

jewels?

> And the further proof is that they melt down this gold jewelry in

order to

> make a Gold Baal Cow icon.

>

> Well, finally, we are joined in spiritual harmony.

 

 

lol as in "an enemy of my enemy is my friend?" lol

 

 

> And so many doubted that

> it could happen.

>

> LOL

>

 

 

everything is always in harmony... even the apparent disonance is

part of it.

 

> Now watch, we will both be criticized by everyone else as being

> "anti-Semetic" which I think is very funny. If one suggests that

the Egyptians and the

> Hebrews were both an intermixed people, how is that anti-Semetic?

Both

> cultures are Semetic.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Zenbob

>

>

 

lol

 

just to tell you, generally i am in agreement with it too. so?

frankly, this does not concern me - it is like seeking the differnt

characteristics of the snake, when there always was - and is - a

rope...

 

there is only one real nation - humanity.

 

either you are "a mentsh" or you are not.

 

atlantis myth included...