Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Dear Harsha and all members of the group sorry for disturbing your peace and tranquility since days something disturbs me a lot about whats going on our list today i realized that people who claim somehow to have reached a certain point of inner knowledge according to the beloved Ramana Maharshi should not use this satsangh to deliver their personal opinions regarding themes which are in dispute. This mail i now reply to is the answer to the "bad feeling" i carry around regarding this very esteemed group if we accept nonduality if we accept the teachings of ramana maharshi if we accept the place of peace and tranquility Harshas Satsang should be i would suggest not to use this group as a carrier for ones "personal beliefssystem" - regardless if this is Jeshu Jesus "JewsArabsIsraelZionism" and so on Having had the grace to "meet" Ramana to meet people like Harsha and Viorica and some others too it hurts to see how now this satsangh is starting to become place where to wellknown poison i encountered all my life ist spread even here... As a member of a list for gentiles who want to become Jews - and some will know how difficult this is, and justly so - i read terrible life stories about christians treating fellow christians.. Whatever faults jews might have israel might have zionism might have due to respect of hundred of millions people killed in the name of LOVE GD and so on and in the name of the hundred family member of mine who have been gassed my grandma and her twindaughters burned alive like a whole train of jews because the gaschambers have been to busy to take them, i humbly ask all members to refrain from making a rift between people who claim to are "nondualists" Dear friend do to Grace i still am alive and not been murdered by gentiles arabs and other people who i mentally can understand who i in the heart the real one accept as part of GD of course but being a MENSCH i hope a real one i allow myself the luxury to suffer when i meet ignorance false love disguided in socalled knowledge. Dear friends due to grace i did not accept the invitation as a 18year old young boy to enter in MENSA the socalled club of 2percent of the humanity due to extraordinary high IQ they have discovered after five days of testing. Having not accepting this i did neither get rich nor famous but i became who i am personally speaking and am happy about it. Knowledge i loved so much as a weapon against the biased "World" it never helped because you never convince somebody who is out to defend his concepts - even if this leads to massmurder. Why i bore you with this stuff because like our beloved RAMANA said when you are "enlightened" you have to drop all your knowledge and i realized thats true completely true but what should i do with this when being a member of HARSHA and realizing that something stinks terrible let people love JESUS as they like if he existed or not who cares for "facts" because in my humble opinion BHAKTI exists in the name of BHAKTI and JNANA i ask you from the bottom of my heart in all innocence keep away spreading socalled facts and dividing thru it people more than they are already divided and who in this beloved list has any clue whats going outside we are informed only with lies from every corner and i am in the "lucky" situation since i am young to practically having experienced and experiencing it.....how we all are cheated by official news and so on The web is full of lists of every congregation which proclaims the last days are here. And every sensible person who does not live in selfcreated illusions feels this.....the world is full of fear hate Please dear member please please please start spreading true love like RAMANA and stop dividing humanity like it happens thousand and thousand years Dear Harsha sorry for interrupting your day it had to happen i waited to long because i was not sure of myself Our life should be dedicated to the ongoing questioning of ourselves who we are really my life is dedicated to GD to LOVE please help as us to change this wind of evil and destruction..... and please do not overlook one for me at least very important message of my beloved Satguru Ramana Maharshi AM WHO I AM the holy name of GD in the jewish bible Ramana said this is IT and this the same like the wisdom of seventhousand years of hindu sacred wisdom with this message a circle was closed being a born jew suffering how i did being born this way the grace was from the beginning of this live my undestructable inner knowledge of our GD and for this i am grateful so grateful because this is it what is the meaning of the "chosen people" to be a testimony of the existence of our beloved GD And can you imagine that i am allergic against the poison of antiLOVE antiLIFE in whichever costume it arrives and in my humble opinion it arrived now thru intellectual arrogance in our beloved list too so please stop it and remember GD LOVE as the unifing source of life thank you michael thank you so much shukran (arabis for REAL PEACE) - not salaam (false compromise) PAX PACE FRIEDEN SHALOM AL KOL HARSHA SATSANG in deep respect and love for all of you may GD bless you in GD i trust michael <aoclery Re: Oh! No! TONY! don't say nothing about my material gi... > > LOL> > > > Now watch, we will both be criticized by everyone else as being > > "anti-Semetic" which I think is very funny. If one suggests that > the Egyptians and the > > Hebrews were both an intermixed people, how is that anti-> Semetic? Both > > cultures are Semetic.> > > > Namaste,> > > > Zenbob> > Namaste Z,> You will be called anti semitic by some zionists for they base their > claim to Israel, and treatment of the Palestinians, on these > obviously non historical texts.> > I'm quite used to being called anti-semitic, but I'm in good company > with many outstanding Jewish writers.Chomsky, Finkelstein, Mate etc > etc.........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 , "michael_bindel" <advaita0@w...> wrote: > Whatever faults jews might have israel might have zionism might have > due to respect of hundred of millions people killed in the name of > LOVE GD and so on and in the name of the hundred family member of > mine who have been gassed my grandma and her twindaughters burned > alive like a whole train of jews because the gaschambers have been > to busy to take them, i humbly ask all members to refrain from > making a rift between people who claim to are "nondualists" Namaste, Doing well so far------------- > > Dear friend do to Grace i still am alive and not been murdered by > gentiles arabs and other people who i mentally can understand who i Namaste, Just blew it here...............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: , "michael_bindel" wrote: > > Whatever faults jews might have israel > > might have zionism might have due to > > respect of hundred of millions people > > killed in the name of LOVE GD and so on > > and in the name of the hundred family member of > > mine who have been gassed my grandma and her > > twindaughters burned alive like a whole train of > > jews because the gaschambers have been > > to busy to take them, i humbly ask all members to > > refrain from making a rift between people who > > claim to are "nondualists" > Doing well so far------------- > > Dear friend do to Grace i still am alive and > > not been murdered by gentiles arabs and other > > people who i mentally can understand who > > i > Namaste, > > Just blew it here...............ONS..Tony. Dear Joyce, Are you a moderator? If so, I urgently request your action, I recently wrote: > I am aware that we are very close > to a boundary that is not beneficial > to any of us, I hope that we can walk > away from that boundary and that > Tony follows us before he gets too close... Tony is now on that boundary, his way of answering Michael is absolutely uncalled for... I urge that he be put under moderation until Harsha returns and can take a closer look... Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 , Wim <wim_borsboom> wrote: > Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: > , > "michael_bindel" > wrote: > > > Whatever faults jews might have israel > > > might have zionism might have due to > > > respect of hundred of millions people > > > killed in the name of LOVE GD and so on > > > and in the name of the hundred family member of > > > mine who have been gassed my grandma and her > > > twindaughters burned alive like a whole train of > > > jews because the gaschambers have been > > > to busy to take them, i humbly ask all members to > > > refrain from making a rift between people who > > > claim to are "nondualists" > > > Doing well so far------------- > > > > Dear friend do to Grace i still am alive and > > > not been murdered by gentiles arabs and other > > > people who i mentally can understand who > > > i > > > Namaste, > > > > Just blew it here...............ONS..Tony. > > Dear Joyce, > > Are you a moderator? > If so, I urgently request your action, > I recently wrote: > > I am aware that we are very close > > to a boundary that is not beneficial > > to any of us, I hope that we can walk > > away from that boundary and that > > Tony follows us before he gets too close... > > Tony is now on that boundary, his way of answering > Michael is absolutely uncalled for... > > I urge that he be put under moderation until Harsha > returns and can take a closer look... > > Wim Namaste Wim, You came on here after a long absence and got stuck straight into me. I was quite harmlessly posting the Sayings of Jesus and not much else. Perhaps you should be moderated for being a roving troublemaker with a kundalini machine business? Michael's splurge was most unscientific, and confused, Oh unless you support the insinuation that Arabs are murdering gentiles as well. He as a person who lived in Israel has a vested interest in opposing what Zenbob and I wrote. I admit this is not the site to discuss the dispossesion of palestinians and things like that. I'm quite happy to go back to my harmless postings if you and a couple of others don't stir me up..............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Tony wrote: > Oh unless you support the insinuation > that Arabs are murdering gentiles as well. Tony you did not read Michael's line well enough, the "insinuation" that you read into it, is not there. This is what Michael wrote: > Dear friend do to Grace i still am alive and > not been murdered by gentiles arabs and other > people who i mentally can understand The text simply misses a comma between the words gentiles and arabs. When you read the sentence carefully, it is clear. Also, as far as I'm concerned you can keep writing comments on your Thomas Gospel quotes, but your exressions of disdain, ridicule and hahahas have no place here... This has been mentioned by many to you various times, even before I delurked... (I read through the archives and it is quite outspoken.) You never heeded their advice, instead you at times answered with more words close to being invective... The time has come for you to stop that. I have no trouble with you being here. 'How you are here' is what is problematic. If a moderator cannot address it, the members have to. You could of course say that this is a personal vendetta, but that is a common answer by people in your situation. > Perhaps you should be moderated for being a > roving troublemaker with a kundalini machine > business? Again here you show ignorance and disdain! Wim --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , Wim > <wim_borsboom> wrote: > > Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: > > , > > "michael_bindel" > > wrote: > > > > Whatever faults jews might have israel > > > > might have zionism might have due to > > > > respect of hundred of millions people > > > > killed in the name of LOVE GD and so on > > > > and in the name of the hundred family member > of > > > > mine who have been gassed my grandma and her > > > > twindaughters burned alive like a whole train > of > > > > jews because the gaschambers have been > > > > to busy to take them, i humbly ask all members > to > > > > refrain from making a rift between people who > > > > claim to are "nondualists" > > > > > Doing well so far------------- > > > > > > Dear friend do to Grace i still am alive and > > > > not been murdered by gentiles arabs and other > > > > people who i mentally can understand who > > > > i > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Just blew it here...............ONS..Tony. > > > > Dear Joyce, > > > > Are you a moderator? > > If so, I urgently request your action, > > I recently wrote: > > > I am aware that we are very close > > > to a boundary that is not beneficial > > > to any of us, I hope that we can walk > > > away from that boundary and that > > > Tony follows us before he gets too close... > > > > Tony is now on that boundary, his way of answering > > Michael is absolutely uncalled for... > > > > I urge that he be put under moderation until > Harsha > > returns and can take a closer look... > > > > Wim > > Namaste Wim, > > You came on here after a long absence and got stuck > straight into > me. I was quite harmlessly posting the Sayings of > Jesus and not much > else. Perhaps you should be moderated for being a > roving > troublemaker with a kundalini machine business? > Michael's splurge > was most unscientific, and confused, Oh unless you > support the > insinuation that Arabs are murdering gentiles as > well. He as a > person who lived in Israel has a vested interest in > opposing what > Zenbob and I wrote. I admit this is not the site to > discuss the > dispossesion of palestinians and things like that. > I'm quite happy > to go back to my harmless postings if you and a > couple of others > don't stir me up..............ONS...Tony. > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click./Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM > --~-> > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 , Wim <wim_borsboom> wrote: > Tony wrote: Namaste, Wim, do yourself a favour mate, and drop off this subject. It is just a pretext for you anyway..........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > Namaste, > > Wim, do yourself a favour mate, and drop off > this subject. It is just a pretext for you > anyway..........ONS...Tony. I happily do that favour, Tony and hope that it is mutual... May I assume that your use of the word 'mate' was meant meaning what it means? In the meantime, assuming that you are dropping off this subject as well, notice that you were doing again the very thing you needed to drop, when you said: > It is just a pretext for you anyway....... Wim --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , Wim > <wim_borsboom> wrote: > > Tony wrote: > > Namaste, > > Wim, do yourself a favour mate, and drop off this > subject. It is > just a pretext for you anyway..........ONS...Tony. > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM > --~-> > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 In a message dated 8/9/2004 5:51:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, advaita0 writes: Dear Harsha and all members of the group sorry for disturbing your peace and tranquility since days something disturbs me a lot about whats going on our list today i realized that people who claim somehow to have reached a certain point of inner knowledge according to the beloved Ramana Maharshi should not use this satsangh to deliver their personal opinions regarding themes which are in dispute. Michael: I regret if any of my comments perturbed your orbit, but honestly, if you read what I wrote, you simply have tripped the wire on the comment I already made...and sadly, protesteth too much, and more sadly, do so in a rather confused and overwrought state...notwithstanding, none here, including myself, should ever make any comment that would offend anyone...but I fear, as always, that it sometimes takes a person to extend their toes a bit farther than usual for them to be so badly stepped upon. I admonish Tony to always keep his focus and his vitriol well under control, and in that same spirit I sincerely ask you, Michael, to pull back those sensitive toes a bit, and understand that there is such a thing a history, such a thing as facts, and such a thing as speculation about the origins of our world and its people and our resulting culture. In this speculation there can be no harm, so long as their is no intent to harm, no intent to be malicious, but where the intent is to be scrupulous and accurate. The Sphinx was an ancient marvel at the time that the Pyramid of Kufu was built, and that should say lot about the history of Egypt. Specualtion was a rich topic then, as it is now. That the pyramids were built not by slaves but by highly motivated and skilled work-gangs, has long been established in the world of archeology. This is not revisionist history or motivated by any desire to impune any culture or persons...the facts themselves speak volumes about the world of the Egyptian people in ancient times. Illusions and myths are the greater danger to humankind, not facts, discoveries, evidences, and the wonderfully revealing truth of DNA, which will prove us all brothers and sisters in ways we never dreamed (dreamt) and (humorously) in ways many never dared imagine. Everyone lighten up or else! Hah! Peace, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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