Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Namaste 84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!" Purport:O'Clery This is referring to reincarnation and previous lives and the karma from those. Plus all the images and beings on the other planes or heavens......ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/2004 8:33:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aoclery writes: 84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!" Purport:O'Clery This is referring to reincarnation and previous lives and the karma from those. Plus all the images and beings on the other planes or heavens......ONS... First of all, the line should read : "...which neither die NOR become manifest, how..." This could refer to past lives, or it could also literally means past promises and deeds that have the enduring nature to haunt one's present life. We cannot escape the shadow of our own life trail, and there is a wake left in the passage of anyone through their life, no matter how we seek to rise to some higher plane of existence. Again, I think that Jesus, if he in fact, said such a thing, could easily have meant it to have both of these meanings at the same time. He seemed to really glory in his ability to say something that spoke at several simultaneous levels to his audiences. Noteworthy is the apparent lack of self-absorbtion or the easy temptation of the nudge or wink. Jesus kept a very dead-pan manner, by all accounts and never publically fell into the trap of being "clever." He was serious in purpose, enthusiastic and outgoing, but these double and triple entendres and layers were shared with a very cunning and premeditated approach. Many experts in psychology today might call these "thought bombs." They are delivered not with the intent of satisfying or ansering a direct question in the immediate sense, although they give a plausible surface response. They are in fact, intended to stymie and and disturb the listeners...creating discussion and debate. Jesus even warned of this, "I come to turn a house against itself, brother against sister and son against father, mother against daughter..." but he did not mean to suggest literal warfare, simply the lively debate of ideas that has become staple of the Mediterranean people. One wonders how premeditated these remarks were, or how spontaneous (a real gift!) as these are most often replies to questions, although a few famous ones, are of course, simply "sermons" which of course, were well prepared in advance. What is humorous to me, is that when Jesus remarked that no one would know the hour or place of his "return" he was never referring to a "2nd Coming" as many Christians today mistakenly believe. He was talking about the time and place of his reappearance after his Crucifixion, which was yet to occur. While on this subject, was anyone anywhere of the obscure theory, based on much hearsay and a littel evidence that Jesus was never Crucified, but that some other criminal of his basic stature and appearance was substituted by Pilate's wife with the assistance of Mary Magdalene and Jesus' mother Mary? That when they were given the bundles of Jesus original clothing to clean, that Jesus was in fact spirited away with them? Such an 11th hour substitution was not out of the question, and it remains sort of a puzzle as to why would Pilate have interrupted his own proceedings in order to display Jesus a second time, somewhat bloodied and beaten, just so that Jesus could identify himself to his mother, "Behold, your son" as this would otherwise seem sort of obvious to anyone of normal senses and mentality. However, if it was needed to set the stage for the switch, then it makes a sudden sort of sense, because Mary would need to keep an eye on her son, rather than mistakenly go after the "double." What happened to the body of the double? Entombed, of course, but then buried right away, once Jesus was allowed to "reappear." After reappearing, his most loyal inner circle would necessarily have wished to get out of Dodge, because that had to be part of the deal with the Romans in the first place, not to mention that the Pharisees and Saducees would have been none too happy to have Jesus in their midst again. For those who have eyes, consider the evidence and ponder this possibility...it may not be true, but then again, most of what we read is only a vague shadow of reality... Namaste, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/13/2004 8:33:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > aoclery writes: > > 84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But > when you see your images which came into being before you, and > which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to > bear!" > > Purport:O'Clery > This is referring to reincarnation and previous lives and the karma > from those. Plus all the images and beings on the other planes or > heavens......ONS...> > > > First of all, the line should read : "...which neither die NOR become > manifest, how..." > > This could refer to past lives, or it could also literally means past > promises and deeds that have the enduring nature to haunt one's present life. We > cannot escape the shadow of our own life trail, and there is a wake left in > the passage of anyone through their life, no matter how we seek to rise to some > higher plane of existence. Again, I think that Jesus, if he in fact, said > such a thing, could easily have meant it to have both of these meanings at > the same time. He seemed to really glory in his ability to say something that > spoke at several simultaneous levels to his audiences. Noteworthy is the > apparent lack of self-absorbtion or the easy temptation of the nudge or wink. > Jesus kept a very dead-pan manner, by all accounts and never publically fell > into the trap of being "clever." He was serious in purpose, enthusiastic > and outgoing, but these double and triple entendres and layers were shared with > a very cunning and premeditated approach. Many experts in psychology today > might call these "thought bombs." They are delivered not with the intent of > satisfying or ansering a direct question in the immediate sense, although > they give a plausible surface response. They are in fact, intended to stymie > and and disturb the listeners...creating discussion and debate. Jesus even > warned of this, "I come to turn a house against itself, brother against sister > and son against father, mother against daughter..." but he did not mean to > suggest literal warfare, simply the lively debate of ideas that has become > staple of the Mediterranean people. One wonders how premeditated these remarks > were, or how spontaneous (a real gift!) as these are most often replies to > questions, although a few famous ones, are of course, simply "sermons" which > of course, were well prepared in advance. > > What is humorous to me, is that when Jesus remarked that no one would know > the hour or place of his "return" he was never referring to a "2nd Coming" as > many Christians today mistakenly believe. He was talking about the time and > place of his reappearance after his Crucifixion, which was yet to occur. > > While on this subject, was anyone anywhere of the obscure theory, based on > much hearsay and a littel evidence that Jesus was never Crucified, but that > some other criminal of his basic stature and appearance was substituted by > Pilate's wife with the assistance of Mary Magdalene and Jesus' mother Mary? That > when they were given the bundles of Jesus original clothing to clean, that > Jesus was in fact spirited away with them? Such an 11th hour substitution > was not out of the question, and it remains sort of a puzzle as to why would > Pilate have interrupted his own proceedings in order to display Jesus a second > time, somewhat bloodied and beaten, just so that Jesus could identify > himself to his mother, "Behold, your son" as this would otherwise seem sort of > obvious to anyone of normal senses and mentality. However, if it was needed to > set the stage for the switch, then it makes a sudden sort of sense, because > Mary would need to keep an eye on her son, rather than mistakenly go after the > "double." What happened to the body of the double? Entombed, of course, > but then buried right away, once Jesus was allowed to "reappear." After > reappearing, his most loyal inner circle would necessarily have wished to get out > of Dodge, because that had to be part of the deal with the Romans in the first > place, not to mention that the Pharisees and Saducees would have been none > too happy to have Jesus in their midst again. > > For those who have eyes, consider the evidence and ponder this > possibility...it may not be true, but then again, most of what we read is only a vague > shadow of reality... > > > Namaste, > > Zenbob does it all matter? and if, to whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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