Guest guest Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 In a message dated 8/15/2004 7:38:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yosyflug writes: ps. "son of man" ("ben-adam") is hebrew for "human". Yes, indeed, but Jesus often invoked this image to describe himself as the symbolic proto-human...not superior, not above, not better than...but purely equally human...which is funny when one sees how many modern Christian Fundamentalists have distorted the very notion of Jesus into some sort of God-on-earth-SuperHero. I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices and the humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about the "play act suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that sort of suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the Godly-human chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control over our afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful response from so many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is illusion and how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature balding, but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK? Peace, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 zen2wrk [zen2wrk] Monday, August 16, 2004 3:40 AM Re: Sayings of Jesus #86--Gospel of Thomas In a message dated 8/15/2004 9:56:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aoclery writes: 86) Jesus said, "[The foxes have their holes] and the birds have [their] nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head and rest." Purport:O'Clery. This indicates there is no need for any materiality or attachments for the Son of Man. It also indicates total surrender to the Lord, or God and putting our burden on him who really does the work....ONS..Tony. Jesus understood that for others there was rest and safety...refuge. The Temple in his day was no refuge for him...it was in the hands of his enemies. As long as others suffered, or were sick, of body or spirit, Jesus felt that it was wrong for him to rest. His rest, as far as he was concerned would be at a distant place and time...not of this earth. He also may have been poking just a bit of fun at himself, as the fox was known as the shrewd, cunning and wise creature...and Jesus was saying that in comparison, he was not wise...more interesting is the choice of the birds...and most often in Jesus speech (just count 'em) his favorite bird is the dove. The dove was always likened to the spirit or spiritual, and one wonders here, if Jesus might not have been also slyly comparing his own spiritual efforts to that of the Dove, which evokes peace and harmony so gracefully, and can find peace within its nest...but for Jesus, this too was not possible. One might read this as, "I am htought wise, but clearly a fox is more clever; I am thought a religious master, but clearly the Dove has mastered peace and harmony far more than have I. Before anyone think they are clever or they are peaceful, consider the creatures of the earth and realize how far one must go to achieve their skills." I thought this was interesting to contemplate. Remember, animals engage in their actions with no self consciousness and no regret. Of course, they are not required to pay taxes, either. Peace, Zenbob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol what head? what place? all is one this realization is man's destiny. in love yosy ps. "son of man" ("ben-adam") is hebrew for "human". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/15/2004 7:38:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > yosyflug@i... writes: > > ps. "son of man" ("ben-adam") is hebrew for "human". > > > > Yes, indeed, but Jesus often invoked this image to describe himself as the > symbolic proto-human...not superior, not above, not better than...but purely > equally human...which is funny when one sees how many modern Christian > Fundamentalists have distorted the very notion of Jesus into some sort of > God-on-earth-SuperHero. > > I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices and the > humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about the "play act > suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that sort of > suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the Godly-human > chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control over our > afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful response from so > many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is illusion and > how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature balding, > but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK? > > Peace, > > Zenbob > it is a matter of identification. pain, sufering, premature balding etc arise and pass... for whom? "I" Have nothing… Nothing to attack Nothing to achieve Nothing to maintain Nothing to forgive; Nothing to expect Nothing to believe. No one to defend And no cause to grieve… Only This Living moment Has What appears As "Me" honestly, 'yosy' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 > I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices and the > humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about the "play act > suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that sort of > suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the Godly-human > chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control over our > afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful response from so > many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is illusion and > how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature balding, > but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK? > > Peace, > > Zenbob > Yosy wrote... it is a matter of identification. pain, sufering, premature balding etc arise and pass... for whom? For you'm... And Yosy wrote further... "I" Have nothing. Nothing to attack Nothing to achieve Nothing to maintain Nothing to forgive; Nothing to expect Nothing to believe. No one to defend And no cause to grieve. Only This Living moment Has What appears As "Me" honestly, 'yosy' honestly, 'yosy' ... and where is YOUR apology? Love, Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 could you please tell me what to apologize for? yosy Lady Joyce [shaantih] Monday, August 16, 2004 4:47 PM Re: Re: Sayings of Jesus #86--Gospel of Thomas/bob > I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices and the > humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about the "play act > suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that sort of > suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the Godly-human > chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control over our > afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful response from so > many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is illusion and > how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature balding, > but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK? > > Peace, > > Zenbob > Yosy wrote... it is a matter of identification. pain, sufering, premature balding etc arise and pass... for whom? For you'm... And Yosy wrote further... "I" Have nothing. Nothing to attack Nothing to achieve Nothing to maintain Nothing to forgive; Nothing to expect Nothing to believe. No one to defend And no cause to grieve. Only This Living moment Has What appears As "Me" honestly, 'yosy' honestly, 'yosy' ... and where is YOUR apology? Love, Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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