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In a message dated 8/15/2004 7:38:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

yosyflug writes:

 

ps. "son of man" ("ben-adam") is hebrew for "human".

 

 

 

Yes, indeed, but Jesus often invoked this image to describe himself as the

symbolic proto-human...not superior, not above, not better than...but purely

equally human...which is funny when one sees how many modern Christian

Fundamentalists have distorted the very notion of Jesus into some sort of

God-on-earth-SuperHero.

 

I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices and the

humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about the "play act

suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that sort of

suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the Godly-human

chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control over our

afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful response from

so

many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is illusion and

how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature balding,

but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK?

 

Peace,

 

Zenbob

 

 

 

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zen2wrk [zen2wrk]

Monday, August 16, 2004 3:40 AM

Re: Sayings of Jesus #86--Gospel of Thomas

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/15/2004 9:56:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

aoclery writes:

 

86) Jesus said, "[The foxes have their holes] and the birds have

[their] nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head

and rest."

 

Purport:O'Clery.

This indicates there is no need for any materiality or attachments

for the Son of Man. It also indicates total surrender to the Lord,

or God and putting our burden on him who really does the

work....ONS..Tony.

 

 

 

Jesus understood that for others there was rest and safety...refuge.

The

Temple in his day was no refuge for him...it was in the hands of his

enemies.

As long as others suffered, or were sick, of body or spirit, Jesus felt

that

it was wrong for him to rest. His rest, as far as he was concerned

would be

at a distant place and time...not of this earth. He also may have been

 

poking just a bit of fun at himself, as the fox was known as the

shrewd, cunning

and wise creature...and Jesus was saying that in comparison, he was not

 

wise...more interesting is the choice of the birds...and most often in

Jesus speech

(just count 'em) his favorite bird is the dove. The dove was always

likened

to the spirit or spiritual, and one wonders here, if Jesus might not

have

been also slyly comparing his own spiritual efforts to that of the

Dove, which

evokes peace and harmony so gracefully, and can find peace within its

nest...but for Jesus, this too was not possible. One might read this

as, "I am

htought wise, but clearly a fox is more clever; I am thought a

religious master,

but clearly the Dove has mastered peace and harmony far more than have

I.

Before anyone think they are clever or they are peaceful, consider the

creatures of the earth and realize how far one must go to achieve their

skills."

 

 

I thought this was interesting to contemplate. Remember, animals

engage in

their actions with no self consciousness and no regret. Of course,

they are

not required to pay taxes, either.

 

Peace,

 

Zenbob

 

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

lol what head? what place?

 

all is one

 

this realization is man's destiny.

 

 

in love

yosy

 

ps. "son of man" ("ben-adam") is hebrew for "human".

 

 

 

 

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, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 8/15/2004 7:38:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> yosyflug@i... writes:

>

> ps. "son of man" ("ben-adam") is hebrew for "human".

>

>

>

> Yes, indeed, but Jesus often invoked this image to describe himself

as the

> symbolic proto-human...not superior, not above, not better

than...but purely

> equally human...which is funny when one sees how many modern

Christian

> Fundamentalists have distorted the very notion of Jesus into some

sort of

> God-on-earth-SuperHero.

>

> I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices

and the

> humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about

the "play act

> suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that

sort of

> suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the

Godly-human

> chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control

over our

> afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful

response from so

> many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is

illusion and

> how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature

balding,

> but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK?

>

> Peace,

>

> Zenbob

>

 

:) it is a matter of identification. pain, sufering, premature

balding etc arise and pass... for whom?

 

 

"I"

Have nothing…

 

Nothing to attack

Nothing to achieve

 

Nothing to maintain

Nothing to forgive;

 

Nothing to expect

Nothing to believe.

 

No one to defend

And no cause to grieve…

 

Only

This

Living moment

Has

What appears

As

"Me"

 

 

:) honestly,

'yosy'

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> I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices

and the

> humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about

the "play act

> suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that

sort of

> suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the

Godly-human

> chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control

over our

> afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful

response from so

> many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is

illusion and

> how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature

balding,

> but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK?

>

> Peace,

>

> Zenbob

>

 

 

Yosy wrote...

 

:) it is a matter of identification. pain, sufering, premature

balding etc arise and pass... for whom?

 

 

For you'm...

 

And Yosy wrote further...

 

 

"I"

Have nothing.

 

Nothing to attack

Nothing to achieve

 

Nothing to maintain

Nothing to forgive;

 

Nothing to expect

Nothing to believe.

 

No one to defend

And no cause to grieve.

 

Only

This

Living moment

Has

What appears

As

"Me"

 

 

:) honestly,

'yosy'

 

 

:) honestly,

'yosy' ... and where is YOUR apology?

 

Love,

 

Joyce

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could you please tell me what to apologize for?

 

yosy

 

 

Lady Joyce [shaantih]

Monday, August 16, 2004 4:47 PM

Re: Re: Sayings of Jesus #86--Gospel of

Thomas/bob

 

> I like the purely human aspect...it make the acts, the sacrifices

and the

> humility that much more worthy and moving. I care little about

the "play act

> suffering" of a superhuman God-on-earth-in-human-clothing...that

sort of

> suffering is like masochism...and it begins and ends whenever the

Godly-human

> chooses. We mortals, well, we very rarely have much if any control

over our

> afflictions and sufferings. I know this will create a wonderful

response from so

> many of you who have discovered that we are all one and pain is

illusion and

> how you have all conquered pain, suffering, dualism, and premature

balding,

> but really folks, I am just being honest here, OK?

>

> Peace,

>

> Zenbob

>

 

 

Yosy wrote...

 

:) it is a matter of identification. pain, sufering, premature

balding etc arise and pass... for whom?

 

 

For you'm...

 

And Yosy wrote further...

 

 

"I"

Have nothing.

 

Nothing to attack

Nothing to achieve

 

Nothing to maintain

Nothing to forgive;

 

Nothing to expect

Nothing to believe.

 

No one to defend

And no cause to grieve.

 

Only

This

Living moment

Has

What appears

As

"Me"

 

 

:) honestly,

'yosy'

 

 

:) honestly,

'yosy' ... and where is YOUR apology?

 

Love,

 

Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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