RE: The Nature of Self-Realization

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Dear Wim and all others

 

GRACE KARMA

 

 

as far as "ifeel" it

 

 

WHEN COMPLETE SURRENDERING HAPPENS OF COURSE WITHOUT ANY EXPECTATIONS AS IT

HAS TO HAPPEN WHEN L O V E FOR THE ONE AND ONLY IS COMPLETE THAN WE

ARE ABSORBED BY GRACE AND KARMA WORKS ONLY ON THE BODY ENTITY LIKE BELOVED

RAMANA STATED

 

as long as we are still bound to beliefsystems of any kind (GD judges we

have to be punished to be worrth) we seed and experience karma

 

WE HAVE TO SURRENDER COMPLETELY to be an "instrument" of the ALMIGHTY

 

i hope i was able to let you know how "i" feel about these themes which are

of great importance for yours

 

 

michael

 

 

in GD i trust

 

>"Wim" <wim_borsboom

>

>

> Re: The Nature of Self-Realization

>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:24:25 -0000

>

>Tony wrote:

> > This seems to me a reference to karma.

> > One doesn't become realised

> > until one is destined to be.

>

>Realization of course can not be something that karmically happens.

>Realization is outside the illussive realm of 'realistically

>appearing' karmic events. In 'r e a l i t y' realization has no

>reference points to karma... In moksha one realizes to be free

>already, one sees and realizes that realization is not at all

>dependent on karmic dynamics... In a way you pointed at that not too

>long ago: it (karma) actually has not happened and is not happening.

>Stopping the wheel of karmic events and dynamics - realizing that in

>reality it actually didn't and does not take place - is what entails

>realization. It wouldn't be moksha if it were conditional upon karmic

>destination as you seem to say, it would be 'conditional freedom'

>or 'conditional liberation' and therefore it can not be moksha at

>all...

>

>One realizingly discovers or recovers this in grace... but again one

>realizes that also grace is NOT bound to karma. How could it be grace

>if it were?...

>

> > So Grace seems to be Karma playing like the sun behind the

> > clouds..

>

>What you are introducing here is very close to a Calvinistic way of

>looking at salvation... not realization.

>

>Wim

>

 

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