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, "Wim" <wim_borsboom>

wrote:

> , zen2wrk@a... wrote:

> > Is the absense of all sensation and thought

> > actually the trigger point for bliss

> > or does something else have to happen?

>

>

> Hi my dearest Zenbob,

>

> Could it be that misuse, abuse and diminished use of sensation and

> thought - godgivens, just like any other human faculty - is what

> keeps us away from our innate bliss that is actually already the

> case...?

>

> Of course those who know me know that my answer is yes.

>

> If freedom (moksha) is already our native state - though seemingly

> veiled - is bliss not there with it already?

 

Namaste,

 

Bliss is an attribute and experiential, and can only be associated

with Saguna. Moksha is beyond bliss because it is

nirvana.nirguna..ONS..Tony.

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