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Dear Wim

 

please inform me - an ignorant in these themes - what "triniy" has to do

with the Jewish Bible

 

seems to be a mix up of christian beliefsystem with original jewish thoughts

and not valid

 

but please inform me

 

thank you for sending this picture

 

 

in love

 

 

your unknown friend

 

 

michael

 

>"Wim" <wim_borsboom

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> For all of us

>Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:23:30 -0000

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>http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/rublev1.html

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>Unity (one bowl)

>

>Wim

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Thank you Wim for your work

 

but please let me know why the artist used the expression

 

 

trinity in Old Testament

 

the concept of trinity is known to ignorant michael but how the link from

this theory to the Jewish Bible was "constructed" no idea

 

 

but to make it clear

 

this is only mind stuff nothing of real value for "me"

 

 

LOL

 

 

 

in GD i am

 

 

michael

 

>"Wim" <wim_borsboom

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> For all of us

>Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:23:30 -0000

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>http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/rublev1.html

>

>Unity (one bowl)

>

>Wim

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>

>

 

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, " <michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

> Dear Wim

>

> please inform me - an ignorant in these themes -

> what "trinity" has to do with the Jewish Bible

 

Dear Michael,

 

To understand this I think that it is important to look through this

specific Christian concept of Trinity as identified in or attributed

to this picture showing these three angelic beings.

http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/rublev1.html

 

We can even (we actually have to) investigate into times prior to the

emergence of philosophical inklings about God or multiple supra-human

entities.

 

In origin "trinity" is based on a very old concept derived from the

genial and fundamental geometric invention/discovery of the triangle

(together with the tetrahedron considered the most stable of forms)

and triangulation, part of a discipline that now is trendily called

Divine or Sacred Geometry.

 

.. The Star of David is a combination of two triangles one pointing

upward, one downward, with varying theories about its origin, for

example the masculine or heaven represented by the downward pointing

triangle and the feminine or earth by the upward one.

.. Two tetrahedrons dynamically intertwined may have led to the Indian

Sri Yantra symbol.

.. And then there is of course the mystical tradition of Kabbalah with

the Sephiroth symbolism.

 

The invention/discovery of the triangle and its various

characteristics (especially the right angle triangle with sides

having a ratio of 3:4:5 leading to the Pythagorean Theorem) led to

engineering practices that became indispensable for the construction

of stable physical spaces for the living as well as for the dead with

their specific heavenly and terrestrial alignments.

 

The trios of Mother-Father-Child, Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva, Father-Son-

Holy Spirit, Gabriel-Michael-Raphael (there is a whole slew of

additional trios e.g. Existence-Knowledge Bliss or Sat Chit Ananda,

the Three Graces or Charities) could easily be fitted as

anthropomorphic projections onto this mysterious sacred or divine

shape. The triangle became thus effectively a symbol representing the

unification of three different aspects of one divine or reality - the

one eye of providence inside a triangle.

 

The concept of Christian Trinity was adopted in 352 CE in Nicea by 3

diverse early Christian groups to build a solid religious institution

with a unified front.

 

This enabled them to merge 3 entities (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) into

one, thus also preventing the possibility of being seen as

polytheistic (a Jewish requirement):

(1) a mythologized and deified Jesus - needed to appease and keep the

Hellenistic members.

(2) the Holy Spirit (Shakti, Prana or Ruach) - needed to appease and

keep members from further East, possibly even as far as India.

(3) Yahweh - needed to appease and keep the Jewish members.

 

So one could say that the Trinity was made to stand for the "Big

Compromise," a syncretization of various - previously impossibly

mixable and too divergent - concepts into one "Triune" entity, thus

creating the "penultimate catholic (meaning comprehensive, all

inclusive) institute."

 

I myself (based on personal mystical experiences) figure that:

.. Gabriel stands for "compassion", the strong side of God. (Like

strong, non-vulnerable people can easily afford unconditional

compassion.)

http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/icons2.html

.. Raphael stands for "wholeness", the inspiring-to-be-whole side of

God, helping us to remember that we started off whole. Raphael urges

us patiently to heal ourselves, holding our hands on our way to back

to wholeness.

http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?373+0+0+gg7

.. Michael stands for "seamless human-divinity or divine humanity",

the human side of God, helping us to recognize our likeness to God,

our divine identity by slaying the illusion of the duality of "good

versus bad"

http://www.abcgallery.com/I/italy/crivelli7.html

 

All three reminding us of our uniqueness in the oneness of love...

 

So good Michael that you inspired me to write this,

 

Your grateful Wim

In Divine Grace

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, "MICHAEL BINDEL"

<michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

> Thank you Wim for your work

>

> but please let me know why the artist used the expression

>

>

> trinity in Old Testament

>

> the concept of trinity is known to ignorant michael but how the

link from

> this theory to the Jewish Bible was "constructed" no idea

 

Namaste M,

 

The Trintity is Om Tat Sat but in reverse order as we understand it.

Sat=Father, Tat=Son, Om=Holy Ghost. It just refers the idea of a

triple process of manifestation for one 'God', that's all. Jesus was

referred to as the Son, for he represented in body the creation, as

we all do.....The Star of David is two triangles representing up and

down of creation, the Muslims use this also as well. Much older use

is the Heart Cakra representation in Yoga.....ONS...Tony.

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "MICHAEL BINDEL"

> <michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

> > Thank you Wim for your work

> >

> > but please let me know why the artist used the expression

> >

> >

> > trinity in Old Testament

> >

> > the concept of trinity is known to ignorant michael but how the

> link from

> > this theory to the Jewish Bible was "constructed" no idea

>

> Namaste M,

>

> The Trintity is Om Tat Sat but in reverse order as we understand

it.

> Sat=Father, Tat=Son, Om=Holy Ghost. It just refers the idea of a

> triple process of manifestation for one 'God', that's all. Jesus

was

> referred to as the Son, for he represented in body the creation,

as

> we all do.....The Star of David is two triangles representing up

and

> down of creation, the Muslims use this also as well. Much older

use

> is the Heart Cakra representation in Yoga.....ONS...Tony.

 

Namaste again M,

 

In Hebrew thought we have an inscrutable 'God' called Ain Sof, we

have a spirit in creation called the Shekinah( Sakti or Christ

Spirit), and of course there is Yhvh however it is pronounced---all

different but part of the same Hebrew concept of God. So Trinities

are quite common in all traditions......ONS...Tony.

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The holy ghost or the spirit as I see it is called is a mystery here in

Norway.

It is part of almost every sermon as the 'expression of faith' or something

like that.

But nobody can tell what it is in a simple and convincing way.

I also see from a little bit of searching on the net that the definitions

are many.

I though the problem was only in the protestantic church : )

 

But the spirit and the dove symbol reminded me about this:

 

A long time ago I was sitting in my car eating an ice-cream in the city,

I noticed a dove close to the wall on the pavement,

it looked like it could not fly.

 

It walked so slowly away when people passed by.

Then it went under my car just as I was

listening to this song below by Gerry Rafferty.

 

When the song was over and I was going to drive home,

I had to look if the dove was still under the car.

So I was quite surprised because right under

my seat it was lying dead.

 

Alan

 

 

Well we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away

While the spirits come and go without a sound

And just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a

way home.

 

There’s a full moon in the sky, but that don’t worry me

I don’t ever hang my soul out on the line

When the witchin’ hour comes, I always fly away, fly away, fly away home.

 

There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above

Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove

Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love

You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

 

Now you once asked me why we can’t communicate

But it doesn’t always pay to tell the truth

If I told you right now, you’d only run away, run away, run away home

 

So we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away

While the spirits come and go without a sound

Yeah just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a

way home.

 

There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above

Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove

Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love

You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

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Dear Al

 

thank you for this posting too!!!!!

 

The dove chose the righy place to pass away seeking you sitting in the

car.....

 

All the best to you

 

 

in GD i AM

 

michael

>"Al Larus" <erilarend

>

><>

>Re: For all of us

>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:52:00 +0200

>

>

>The holy ghost or the spirit as I see it is called is a mystery here in

>Norway.

>It is part of almost every sermon as the 'expression of faith' or something

>like that.

>But nobody can tell what it is in a simple and convincing way.

>I also see from a little bit of searching on the net that the definitions

>are many.

>I though the problem was only in the protestantic church : )

>

>But the spirit and the dove symbol reminded me about this:

>

>A long time ago I was sitting in my car eating an ice-cream in the city,

>I noticed a dove close to the wall on the pavement,

>it looked like it could not fly.

>

>It walked so slowly away when people passed by.

>Then it went under my car just as I was

>listening to this song below by Gerry Rafferty.

>

>When the song was over and I was going to drive home,

>I had to look if the dove was still under the car.

>So I was quite surprised because right under

>my seat it was lying dead.

>

>Alan

>

>

>Well we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away

>While the spirits come and go without a sound

>And just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a

>way home.

>

>There’s a full moon in the sky, but that don’t worry me

>I don’t ever hang my soul out on the line

>When the witchin’ hour comes, I always fly away, fly away, fly away home.

>

>There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above

>Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove

>Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love

>You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

>

>Now you once asked me why we can’t communicate

>But it doesn’t always pay to tell the truth

>If I told you right now, you’d only run away, run away, run away home

>

>So we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away

>While the spirits come and go without a sound

>Yeah just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a

>way home.

>

>There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above

>Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove

>Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love

>You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Dear Al,

 

Enjoyed reading your story.

 

You noticed the Dove and apparently the Dove noticed you.

 

Perhaps the Dove noticed you noticing him/her and so came to you.

 

Possibly Gerry Rafferty's song spoke to the Dove in some way.

 

It was very moving the way the Dove crawled under your car.

 

It was a good and a safe space for the Dove.

 

Some animals are very sensitive and wise.

 

At Sri Ramanashram, there were many stories of animals like that.

 

Lakshmi the cow was one of the famous inmates at Ramanashram.

 

When she died Bhagavan said that she had received mukti.

 

The word mukti can mean both death and liberation (moksha).

 

Someone asked whether Bhagavan was using the word mukti in the sense of

someone passing away.

 

Bhagavan said that he was using the term mukti in the sense of liberation or

moksha.

 

A samadhi was built for the cow Lakshmi and she was buried as a saint.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

-

"Al Larus" <erilarend

<>

Monday, September 13, 2004 5:52 PM

Re: For all of us

 

 

 

The holy ghost or the spirit as I see it is called is a mystery here in

Norway.

It is part of almost every sermon as the 'expression of faith' or something

like that.

But nobody can tell what it is in a simple and convincing way.

I also see from a little bit of searching on the net that the definitions

are many.

I though the problem was only in the protestantic church : )

 

But the spirit and the dove symbol reminded me about this:

 

A long time ago I was sitting in my car eating an ice-cream in the city,

I noticed a dove close to the wall on the pavement,

it looked like it could not fly.

 

It walked so slowly away when people passed by.

Then it went under my car just as I was

listening to this song below by Gerry Rafferty.

 

When the song was over and I was going to drive home,

I had to look if the dove was still under the car.

So I was quite surprised because right under

my seat it was lying dead.

 

Alan

 

 

Well we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away

While the spirits come and go without a sound

And just like you and me, they're tryin' to find a way, find a way, find a

way home.

 

There's a full moon in the sky, but that don't worry me

I don't ever hang my soul out on the line

When the witchin' hour comes, I always fly away, fly away, fly away home.

 

There's a light in the city, that comes down from above

Leavin' you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove

Don't blow your tomorrows, don't throw away your love

You've got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

 

Now you once asked me why we can't communicate

But it doesn't always pay to tell the truth

If I told you right now, you'd only run away, run away, run away home

 

So we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away

While the spirits come and go without a sound

Yeah just like you and me, they're tryin' to find a way, find a way, find a

way home.

 

There's a light in the city, that comes down from above

Leavin' you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove

Don't blow your tomorrows, don't throw away your love

You've got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

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, "Harsha" wrote:

> Dear Al,

>

> Enjoyed reading your story.

>

> You noticed the Dove and apparently the Dove noticed you.

>

> Perhaps the Dove noticed you noticing him/her and so came to you.

>

> Possibly Gerry Rafferty's song spoke to the Dove in some way.

>

> It was very moving the way the Dove crawled under your car.

>

> It was a good and a safe space for the Dove.

>

> Some animals are very sensitive and wise.

 

Namaste,

 

I have sometimes mentioned one of my psychic daughters on here. When

she was younger she could project thought very well. I had to stop

here from making teachers scratch their heads, when their backs were

turned. As a young child she found this amusing and I suppose it is

a bit funny but it is wrong/manipulative/childish. With regard to

birds, she could call a bird down from the air to her. I saw this

and on one occasion a big crow came right down to her, and flew

around her head. Many cultures have traditions of this, the Natives

here in B.C. talk to whales etc etc. Polynesians talk to sharks etc

etc. Anyone who owns a dog, cat or bird, will know the telepathic

interchanges. Ramana said animals can think just like us, and why

not? Is it not the one consciousness?.........A nice thought about

animals though.............ONS..Tony.

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