Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Dear Wim please inform me - an ignorant in these themes - what "triniy" has to do with the Jewish Bible seems to be a mix up of christian beliefsystem with original jewish thoughts and not valid but please inform me thank you for sending this picture in love your unknown friend michael >"Wim" <wim_borsboom > > > For all of us >Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:23:30 -0000 > >http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/rublev1.html > >Unity (one bowl) > >Wim > > > _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Thank you Wim for your work but please let me know why the artist used the expression trinity in Old Testament the concept of trinity is known to ignorant michael but how the link from this theory to the Jewish Bible was "constructed" no idea but to make it clear this is only mind stuff nothing of real value for "me" LOL in GD i am michael >"Wim" <wim_borsboom > > > For all of us >Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:23:30 -0000 > >http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/rublev1.html > >Unity (one bowl) > >Wim > > > _______________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , " <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: > Dear Wim > > please inform me - an ignorant in these themes - > what "trinity" has to do with the Jewish Bible Dear Michael, To understand this I think that it is important to look through this specific Christian concept of Trinity as identified in or attributed to this picture showing these three angelic beings. http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/rublev1.html We can even (we actually have to) investigate into times prior to the emergence of philosophical inklings about God or multiple supra-human entities. In origin "trinity" is based on a very old concept derived from the genial and fundamental geometric invention/discovery of the triangle (together with the tetrahedron considered the most stable of forms) and triangulation, part of a discipline that now is trendily called Divine or Sacred Geometry. .. The Star of David is a combination of two triangles one pointing upward, one downward, with varying theories about its origin, for example the masculine or heaven represented by the downward pointing triangle and the feminine or earth by the upward one. .. Two tetrahedrons dynamically intertwined may have led to the Indian Sri Yantra symbol. .. And then there is of course the mystical tradition of Kabbalah with the Sephiroth symbolism. The invention/discovery of the triangle and its various characteristics (especially the right angle triangle with sides having a ratio of 3:4:5 leading to the Pythagorean Theorem) led to engineering practices that became indispensable for the construction of stable physical spaces for the living as well as for the dead with their specific heavenly and terrestrial alignments. The trios of Mother-Father-Child, Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva, Father-Son- Holy Spirit, Gabriel-Michael-Raphael (there is a whole slew of additional trios e.g. Existence-Knowledge Bliss or Sat Chit Ananda, the Three Graces or Charities) could easily be fitted as anthropomorphic projections onto this mysterious sacred or divine shape. The triangle became thus effectively a symbol representing the unification of three different aspects of one divine or reality - the one eye of providence inside a triangle. The concept of Christian Trinity was adopted in 352 CE in Nicea by 3 diverse early Christian groups to build a solid religious institution with a unified front. This enabled them to merge 3 entities (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) into one, thus also preventing the possibility of being seen as polytheistic (a Jewish requirement): (1) a mythologized and deified Jesus - needed to appease and keep the Hellenistic members. (2) the Holy Spirit (Shakti, Prana or Ruach) - needed to appease and keep members from further East, possibly even as far as India. (3) Yahweh - needed to appease and keep the Jewish members. So one could say that the Trinity was made to stand for the "Big Compromise," a syncretization of various - previously impossibly mixable and too divergent - concepts into one "Triune" entity, thus creating the "penultimate catholic (meaning comprehensive, all inclusive) institute." I myself (based on personal mystical experiences) figure that: .. Gabriel stands for "compassion", the strong side of God. (Like strong, non-vulnerable people can easily afford unconditional compassion.) http://www.abcgallery.com/I/icons/icons2.html .. Raphael stands for "wholeness", the inspiring-to-be-whole side of God, helping us to remember that we started off whole. Raphael urges us patiently to heal ourselves, holding our hands on our way to back to wholeness. http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?373+0+0+gg7 .. Michael stands for "seamless human-divinity or divine humanity", the human side of God, helping us to recognize our likeness to God, our divine identity by slaying the illusion of the duality of "good versus bad" http://www.abcgallery.com/I/italy/crivelli7.html All three reminding us of our uniqueness in the oneness of love... So good Michael that you inspired me to write this, Your grateful Wim In Divine Grace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , "MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: > Thank you Wim for your work > > but please let me know why the artist used the expression > > > trinity in Old Testament > > the concept of trinity is known to ignorant michael but how the link from > this theory to the Jewish Bible was "constructed" no idea Namaste M, The Trintity is Om Tat Sat but in reverse order as we understand it. Sat=Father, Tat=Son, Om=Holy Ghost. It just refers the idea of a triple process of manifestation for one 'God', that's all. Jesus was referred to as the Son, for he represented in body the creation, as we all do.....The Star of David is two triangles representing up and down of creation, the Muslims use this also as well. Much older use is the Heart Cakra representation in Yoga.....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "MICHAEL BINDEL" > <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: > > Thank you Wim for your work > > > > but please let me know why the artist used the expression > > > > > > trinity in Old Testament > > > > the concept of trinity is known to ignorant michael but how the > link from > > this theory to the Jewish Bible was "constructed" no idea > > Namaste M, > > The Trintity is Om Tat Sat but in reverse order as we understand it. > Sat=Father, Tat=Son, Om=Holy Ghost. It just refers the idea of a > triple process of manifestation for one 'God', that's all. Jesus was > referred to as the Son, for he represented in body the creation, as > we all do.....The Star of David is two triangles representing up and > down of creation, the Muslims use this also as well. Much older use > is the Heart Cakra representation in Yoga.....ONS...Tony. Namaste again M, In Hebrew thought we have an inscrutable 'God' called Ain Sof, we have a spirit in creation called the Shekinah( Sakti or Christ Spirit), and of course there is Yhvh however it is pronounced---all different but part of the same Hebrew concept of God. So Trinities are quite common in all traditions......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 The holy ghost or the spirit as I see it is called is a mystery here in Norway. It is part of almost every sermon as the 'expression of faith' or something like that. But nobody can tell what it is in a simple and convincing way. I also see from a little bit of searching on the net that the definitions are many. I though the problem was only in the protestantic church : ) But the spirit and the dove symbol reminded me about this: A long time ago I was sitting in my car eating an ice-cream in the city, I noticed a dove close to the wall on the pavement, it looked like it could not fly. It walked so slowly away when people passed by. Then it went under my car just as I was listening to this song below by Gerry Rafferty. When the song was over and I was going to drive home, I had to look if the dove was still under the car. So I was quite surprised because right under my seat it was lying dead. Alan Well we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away While the spirits come and go without a sound And just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a way home. There’s a full moon in the sky, but that don’t worry me I don’t ever hang my soul out on the line When the witchin’ hour comes, I always fly away, fly away, fly away home. There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. Now you once asked me why we can’t communicate But it doesn’t always pay to tell the truth If I told you right now, you’d only run away, run away, run away home So we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away While the spirits come and go without a sound Yeah just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a way home. There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Dear Al thank you for this posting too!!!!! The dove chose the righy place to pass away seeking you sitting in the car..... All the best to you in GD i AM michael >"Al Larus" <erilarend > ><> >Re: For all of us >Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:52:00 +0200 > > >The holy ghost or the spirit as I see it is called is a mystery here in >Norway. >It is part of almost every sermon as the 'expression of faith' or something >like that. >But nobody can tell what it is in a simple and convincing way. >I also see from a little bit of searching on the net that the definitions >are many. >I though the problem was only in the protestantic church : ) > >But the spirit and the dove symbol reminded me about this: > >A long time ago I was sitting in my car eating an ice-cream in the city, >I noticed a dove close to the wall on the pavement, >it looked like it could not fly. > >It walked so slowly away when people passed by. >Then it went under my car just as I was >listening to this song below by Gerry Rafferty. > >When the song was over and I was going to drive home, >I had to look if the dove was still under the car. >So I was quite surprised because right under >my seat it was lying dead. > >Alan > > >Well we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away >While the spirits come and go without a sound >And just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a >way home. > >There’s a full moon in the sky, but that don’t worry me >I don’t ever hang my soul out on the line >When the witchin’ hour comes, I always fly away, fly away, fly away home. > >There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above >Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove >Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love >You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. > >Now you once asked me why we can’t communicate >But it doesn’t always pay to tell the truth >If I told you right now, you’d only run away, run away, run away home > >So we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away >While the spirits come and go without a sound >Yeah just like you and me, they’re tryin’ to find a way, find a way, find a >way home. > >There’s a light in the city, that comes down from above >Leavin’ you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove >Don’t blow your tomorrows, don’t throw away your love >You’ve got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. > > > > > > > > _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Dear Al, Enjoyed reading your story. You noticed the Dove and apparently the Dove noticed you. Perhaps the Dove noticed you noticing him/her and so came to you. Possibly Gerry Rafferty's song spoke to the Dove in some way. It was very moving the way the Dove crawled under your car. It was a good and a safe space for the Dove. Some animals are very sensitive and wise. At Sri Ramanashram, there were many stories of animals like that. Lakshmi the cow was one of the famous inmates at Ramanashram. When she died Bhagavan said that she had received mukti. The word mukti can mean both death and liberation (moksha). Someone asked whether Bhagavan was using the word mukti in the sense of someone passing away. Bhagavan said that he was using the term mukti in the sense of liberation or moksha. A samadhi was built for the cow Lakshmi and she was buried as a saint. Love to all Harsha - "Al Larus" <erilarend <> Monday, September 13, 2004 5:52 PM Re: For all of us The holy ghost or the spirit as I see it is called is a mystery here in Norway. It is part of almost every sermon as the 'expression of faith' or something like that. But nobody can tell what it is in a simple and convincing way. I also see from a little bit of searching on the net that the definitions are many. I though the problem was only in the protestantic church : ) But the spirit and the dove symbol reminded me about this: A long time ago I was sitting in my car eating an ice-cream in the city, I noticed a dove close to the wall on the pavement, it looked like it could not fly. It walked so slowly away when people passed by. Then it went under my car just as I was listening to this song below by Gerry Rafferty. When the song was over and I was going to drive home, I had to look if the dove was still under the car. So I was quite surprised because right under my seat it was lying dead. Alan Well we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away While the spirits come and go without a sound And just like you and me, they're tryin' to find a way, find a way, find a way home. There's a full moon in the sky, but that don't worry me I don't ever hang my soul out on the line When the witchin' hour comes, I always fly away, fly away, fly away home. There's a light in the city, that comes down from above Leavin' you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove Don't blow your tomorrows, don't throw away your love You've got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. Now you once asked me why we can't communicate But it doesn't always pay to tell the truth If I told you right now, you'd only run away, run away, run away home So we sit in empty rooms and dream our lives away While the spirits come and go without a sound Yeah just like you and me, they're tryin' to find a way, find a way, find a way home. There's a light in the city, that comes down from above Leavin' you as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove Don't blow your tomorrows, don't throw away your love You've got to be as wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 , "Harsha" wrote: > Dear Al, > > Enjoyed reading your story. > > You noticed the Dove and apparently the Dove noticed you. > > Perhaps the Dove noticed you noticing him/her and so came to you. > > Possibly Gerry Rafferty's song spoke to the Dove in some way. > > It was very moving the way the Dove crawled under your car. > > It was a good and a safe space for the Dove. > > Some animals are very sensitive and wise. Namaste, I have sometimes mentioned one of my psychic daughters on here. When she was younger she could project thought very well. I had to stop here from making teachers scratch their heads, when their backs were turned. As a young child she found this amusing and I suppose it is a bit funny but it is wrong/manipulative/childish. With regard to birds, she could call a bird down from the air to her. I saw this and on one occasion a big crow came right down to her, and flew around her head. Many cultures have traditions of this, the Natives here in B.C. talk to whales etc etc. Polynesians talk to sharks etc etc. Anyone who owns a dog, cat or bird, will know the telepathic interchanges. Ramana said animals can think just like us, and why not? Is it not the one consciousness?.........A nice thought about animals though.............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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