Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Antoine quoted: "Dvaita can subsist only when you identify the Self with the not-self. Advaita is nonidentification." ~ Ramana Maharshi Tony commented: > Dvaita-dual A dvaita= non dual. > We are all presumably aspiring > advaitins, intellectuallyl anyway. > However IMO this advaita can only > be achieved at Moksha. > For until moksha duality or dvaita > exists in the mind Antoine quoted: "All spiritual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our Original Source." ~ From The Essential teachings of Ramana Maharshi, A visual Journey. Right, and thus Moksha is our original state of being, originating in our Original Source... Advaita is therefore not to be 'attained' or 'reached' or 'acquired' or 'worked at' or 'achieved' or 'strived for'. Tony wrote: > We are all presumably aspiring advaitins, Aspiring advaitins cannot become advaitins as aspiring itself comes from the dvaita stance. It is thus impossible to aspire for advaita as in advaita aspiring has no reality. To aspire for advaita is as impossible as it is to blow up a balloon for it to remain empty. It may look empty but it is actually full of air. (Hot air?) :-) Tony wrote: > However IMO this advaita can only be achieved at Moksha. One cannot 'achieve' advaita as the act of 'achieving' is based in dvaita. Something like: one cannot wage a war to achieve peace as 'waging a war to achieve that goal' is by itself based on the lack of an authentic vision of peace and can therefore not result in peace. Advaita or Moksha is not something new to reach or strive for as it is from our original source. If anything it is re-coverable only as it was never lost but covered under misguided acts of attainment, achievement and becoming... Advaita and Moksha is actually surprisingly easy to reclaim by dropping all compulsive preoccupation with aspiration, achievement, attainment and dropping all doing of activities to become free. Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Dear Wim and all others Wim wrote One cannot 'achieve' advaita as the act of 'achieving' is based in dvaita. Something like: one cannot wage a war to achieve peace as 'waging a war to achieve that goal' is by itself based on the lack of an authentic vision of peace and can therefore not result in peace. Advaita or Moksha is not something new to reach or strive for as it is from our original source. If anything it is re-coverable only as it was never lost but covered under misguided acts of attainment, achievement and becoming... Advaita and Moksha is actually surprisingly easy to reclaim by dropping all compulsive preoccupation with aspiration, achievement, attainment and dropping all doing of activities to become free. as far as it concerns michael this IS IT thank you WIM for writing it down in such a understandable way mavbe it is what Ramana called LIFTING THE CURTAIN OF NOTKNOWING thats why i prefer now the this above mentioned "term" to the wellknown and notunderstood ILLUMINATION ENLIGHTENEMENT to lift this curtain of not knowing ist EASY like Wim states but at least i have to be always on guard to watch the mind playing and drawing the ego in suffering by not letting go all attachments but to live not being attached while living in a loving relationship or with others is easy to state but terrific to practice like seeing that all is ONE thank you for your time in GD i AM michael >"Wim" <wim_borsboom > Subject: > Re: On interpretation Wed, 15 Sep 2004 >04:01:15 -0000 > >Antoine quoted: "Dvaita can subsist only when you identify the Self with >the not-self. Advaita is nonidentification." ~ Ramana Maharshi > >Tony commented: > Dvaita-dual A dvaita= non dual. > We are all presumably >aspiring > advaitins, intellectuallyl anyway. > However IMO this advaita >can only > be achieved at Moksha. > For until moksha duality or dvaita > >exists in the mind > >Antoine quoted: "All spiritual teachings are only meant to make us retrace >our steps to our Original Source." ~ From The Essential teachings of >Ramana Maharshi, A visual Journey. > >Right, and thus Moksha is our original state of being, originating in our >Original Source... Advaita is therefore not to be 'attained' or 'reached' >or 'acquired' or 'worked at' or 'achieved' or 'strived for'. > >Tony wrote: > We are all presumably aspiring advaitins, > >Aspiring advaitins cannot become advaitins as aspiring itself comes from >the dvaita stance. It is thus impossible to aspire for advaita as in >advaita aspiring has no reality. > >To aspire for advaita is as impossible as it is to blow up a balloon for it >to remain empty. It may look empty but it is actually full of air. (Hot >air?) :-) > >Tony wrote: > However IMO this advaita can only be achieved at Moksha. > >One cannot 'achieve' advaita as the act of 'achieving' is based in dvaita. >Something like: one cannot wage a war to achieve peace as 'waging a war to >achieve that goal' is by itself based on the lack of an authentic vision of >peace and can therefore not result in peace. > >Advaita or Moksha is not something new to reach or strive for as it is from >our original source. If anything it is re-coverable only as it was never >lost but covered under misguided acts of attainment, achievement and >becoming... > >Advaita and Moksha is actually surprisingly easy to reclaim by dropping all >compulsive preoccupation with aspiration, achievement, attainment and >dropping all doing of activities to become free. > >Wim > > _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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