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Dear Era

 

could you please translate your message in plain english

seems i am again an ignorant....

tku for your effort.....

 

michael

 

>"Era" <mi_nok

>

>

> ascending & descending

>consciousness

>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:13:22 -0000

>

>hello everyone,

>

>I asked Hafizullah if the descending

>wave is what is called grace..

>

>he didn't answer yet

>

>what do you think?

>

>I think it is what cought Ramana

>enrout the Amrit-nadi

>

>metta, Era

>

>

>Personal identity and enlightenment cannot go together.  

>

>Indeed, there is actually no such thing as either

>personal identity or enlightenment,

>and the apperception of this fact is itself enlightenment.

>

>Balsekar

>

>

>Actually, the Sufis say that personal identity and enlightenment CAN go

>together; it's a form of integration. But that process happens on the

>*descent* of consciousness into manifestation. On the *ascent*,

>Balsekar is correct.

>

> Hafizullah

> @)->--

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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"MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

 

Hi Michael,

> Dear Era

>

> could you please translate your message in plain english

> seems i am again an ignorant....

> tku for your effort.....

>

 

Hafizullah came up with the term

ascending and descending currents

 

but for you as a lover of Sri Ramana

maybe this page shads light on the

Aham Sphurana [downward tumo]

 

<http://www.davidgodman.org/rteach/iandii1.shtml>

 

Kundalini would be an upward flow

imo

 

<http://santmat-meditation.net/yoga/realization.html>

> michael

>

> >hello everyone,

> >

> >I asked Hafizullah if the descending

> >wave is what is called grace..

> >

> >he didn't answer yet

> >

 

 

he answered: it is the 'grace'

and masterpower [paraphrasing]

 

> >what do you think?

> >

> >I think it is what cought Ramana

> >enrout the Amrit-nadi

> >

> >metta, Era

> >

> >

********************************************

 

Personal identity and enlightenment cannot go together.  

 

Indeed, there is actually no such thing as either

personal identity or enlightenment,

and the apperception of this fact is itself enlightenment.

 

Balsekar

 

********************************************

 

> >Actually, the Sufis say that personal identity and enlightenment CAN go

> >together; it's a form of integration. But that process happens on the

> >*descent* of consciousness into manifestation. On the *ascent*,

> >Balsekar is correct.

> >

> > Hafizullah

> > @)->--

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"MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

> Dear Era

>

> thank you for your answer.

> Please let me know who is

>

> Hafizullah

 

he is from SufiMystic

 

Michael, I am having faith confusions

now

 

here is an other answer by him

 

hafizullah@a... wrote:

> <<E:

> in Sant Mat I think we call it the

> Naam. or Shabd

> >>

>

>H: Yes, what I am speaking of is related to the Shabd.

>

> But the Shabd Yoga is very otherworldly and oriented to the ascending

> current, not the descending current or to integration.

 

 

E: yes, thats why after years of sanmat

I was searching and found Falun Gong

to practice

 

besides I am drawn to the nontheist

Buddhist thought

 

> H: What I'm speaking of

> is the same as descending the Sephirothic Tree in Kabbala, i.e., building a

> temple of light in the phenomenal (manifest) world. In Christianity it is

> about the Divine Immanence instead of the Divine Transcendence. The term

> "Shekinah" is also relevant here.

>

 

now you are talknig

thanks, Era

 

E:

> in Sant Mat I think we call it the

> Naam, or Shabd

>

> the founder of it was a sufi poet

> Kabir Sahib

> "Shabd; this audible sound is

> belived to be the creative and

> sustaining force of the universe. It

> is also known as the "Audible Life

> Stream", the "Music of the Spheres"

> or God, all the religions mention

> it by different names. In the Bible

> it is called the Word; "In the

> beginning there was the Word and the

> Word was with God and the Word was God."

>

> Surat means in "Surat Shabd Yoga"

> our attention, or more specifically

> the attention of the soul. Usually,

> our attention is scattered influenced

> by our thoughts, our emotions, and

> the sensory input we receive it

> takes conscious effort to tune out

> all these stimuli and tune with the

> Sound to our soul."

> from

>

> <http://santmat-meditation.net/santmat/shabd-1.html>

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