Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Era could you please translate your message in plain english seems i am again an ignorant.... tku for your effort..... michael >"Era" <mi_nok > > > ascending & descending >consciousness >Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:13:22 -0000 > >hello everyone, > >I asked Hafizullah if the descending >wave is what is called grace.. > >he didn't answer yet > >what do you think? > >I think it is what cought Ramana >enrout the Amrit-nadi > >metta, Era > > >Personal identity and enlightenment cannot go together. > >Indeed, there is actually no such thing as either >personal identity or enlightenment, >and the apperception of this fact is itself enlightenment. > >Balsekar > > >Actually, the Sufis say that personal identity and enlightenment CAN go >together; it's a form of integration. But that process happens on the >*descent* of consciousness into manifestation. On the *ascent*, >Balsekar is correct. > > Hafizullah > @)->-- > > > > > > _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 "MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: Hi Michael, > Dear Era > > could you please translate your message in plain english > seems i am again an ignorant.... > tku for your effort..... > Hafizullah came up with the term ascending and descending currents but for you as a lover of Sri Ramana maybe this page shads light on the Aham Sphurana [downward tumo] <http://www.davidgodman.org/rteach/iandii1.shtml> Kundalini would be an upward flow imo <http://santmat-meditation.net/yoga/realization.html> > michael > > >hello everyone, > > > >I asked Hafizullah if the descending > >wave is what is called grace.. > > > >he didn't answer yet > > he answered: it is the 'grace' and masterpower [paraphrasing] > >what do you think? > > > >I think it is what cought Ramana > >enrout the Amrit-nadi > > > >metta, Era > > > > ******************************************** Personal identity and enlightenment cannot go together. Indeed, there is actually no such thing as either personal identity or enlightenment, and the apperception of this fact is itself enlightenment. Balsekar ******************************************** > >Actually, the Sufis say that personal identity and enlightenment CAN go > >together; it's a form of integration. But that process happens on the > >*descent* of consciousness into manifestation. On the *ascent*, > >Balsekar is correct. > > > > Hafizullah > > @)->-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Dear Era thank you for your answer. Please let me know who is Hafizullah All the best to you michael _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 "MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: > Dear Era > > thank you for your answer. > Please let me know who is > > Hafizullah he is from SufiMystic Michael, I am having faith confusions now here is an other answer by him hafizullah@a... wrote: > <<E: > in Sant Mat I think we call it the > Naam. or Shabd > >> > >H: Yes, what I am speaking of is related to the Shabd. > > But the Shabd Yoga is very otherworldly and oriented to the ascending > current, not the descending current or to integration. E: yes, thats why after years of sanmat I was searching and found Falun Gong to practice besides I am drawn to the nontheist Buddhist thought > H: What I'm speaking of > is the same as descending the Sephirothic Tree in Kabbala, i.e., building a > temple of light in the phenomenal (manifest) world. In Christianity it is > about the Divine Immanence instead of the Divine Transcendence. The term > "Shekinah" is also relevant here. > now you are talknig thanks, Era E: > in Sant Mat I think we call it the > Naam, or Shabd > > the founder of it was a sufi poet > Kabir Sahib > "Shabd; this audible sound is > belived to be the creative and > sustaining force of the universe. It > is also known as the "Audible Life > Stream", the "Music of the Spheres" > or God, all the religions mention > it by different names. In the Bible > it is called the Word; "In the > beginning there was the Word and the > Word was with God and the Word was God." > > Surat means in "Surat Shabd Yoga" > our attention, or more specifically > the attention of the soul. Usually, > our attention is scattered influenced > by our thoughts, our emotions, and > the sensory input we receive it > takes conscious effort to tune out > all these stimuli and tune with the > Sound to our soul." > from > > <http://santmat-meditation.net/santmat/shabd-1.html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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