Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Namaste All,IMO, Kundalini is our own Universal Mind. It rises in the Heart and goes directly to the brain on awakening. Prana or energy is the instrument of Kundalini-Sakti, Sakti/Grace isn't the energy but the Creator/Goddess/Saguna Brahman of the energy. With the disturbance of the gunas, action or karma begins. There is only karma and prana in this universe. The nightly surges may or may not be kundalini-prana. Let us assume that they are, then it is a cleansing action that is working on the mind, particularly the intellectual/awareness sheath or Vijnanamayakosa. As the sheath is cleansed so to speak the surges will diminish, until at a more advanced level they will be barely perceptible in meditation. There may be some disturbance of thoughts and ideas during this cleansing, like a broom disturbs all the floor not just that which it is sweeping so to speak. There is only one way to control the surges and direct them and that is through prayer or japa/rosary. It has to be channeled back so to speak, so it flows much easier as it accomplishes its Spiritual task so to speak. Otherwise unchanneled prana may disturb the mind or the sexual activities in the lower cakras, instead of rising to the Heart Cakra initially. This is the importance of practise or sadhana. One has to concentrate on Prayer or a Godform of some kind. Or even an affirmation of some spiritual nature. 'Who am I' will do fine. The first time the prana surged in me, or the first time it really was heavy, I fell over in shock. I was sitting cross-legged on the floor meditating. I had felt surges throughout my life from childhood, but attributed it to rocks and my surroundings etc. This time it was heavy for I had stepped on to the path through taking up meditation, so opening the door so to speak. I had also taken up some preparatory breathing exercises or pranayama. I notice mild and pleasant movement during meditation, these days, and as Sarada Devi said, Japa will raise the Kundalini, or Consciousness. Kundalini arising to the Crown Cakra doesn't result in Moksha the Kundalini-Prana or mind has to be absorbed into the Heart or Self. In the end the timing of all this is Karmic as is everything.....Om Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste All,IMO, > > Kundalini is our own Universal Mind. It rises in the Heart and goes > directly to the brain on awakening. Prana or energy is the > instrument of Kundalini-Sakti, Sakti/Grace isn't the energy but the > Creator/Goddess/Saguna Brahman of the energy. With the disturbance > of the gunas, action or karma begins. There is only karma and prana > in this universe. > > The nightly surges may or may not be kundalini-prana. > Let us assume that they are, then it is a cleansing action that is > working on the mind, particularly the intellectual/awareness sheath > or Vijnanamayakosa. As the sheath is cleansed so to speak the surges > will diminish, until at a more advanced level they will be barely > perceptible in meditation. > 3 am, when 'it' wakes me up with pounding and choking sensations was my meditation time for decades but now I can't meditate... and my left side is very painful during these surges... Tony, you say, that the Kundalini is the universal-mind.. I've a feeling, that a 'spiritual' ego is also in the play especially when I read Michael's plead: to calm down metta, Era > There may be some disturbance of thoughts and ideas during this > cleansing, like a broom disturbs all the floor not just that which > it is sweeping so to speak. > > There is only one way to control the surges and direct them and that > is through prayer or japa/rosary. no can do: any attention just amplyfies it and its torked to the right, my head tilts to the right with it and the left side of my neck feels like will burst open my jaw wiggles violently as it tries to go up, but 'it' will not pass through my neck area now > It has to be channeled back so to > speak, so it flows much easier as it accomplishes its Spiritual task > so to speak. Otherwise unchanneled prana may disturb the mind or the > sexual activities in the lower cakras, instead of rising to the > Heart Cakra initially. > > This is the importance of practise or sadhana. One has to > concentrate on Prayer or a Godform of some kind. Or even an > affirmation of some spiritual nature. 'Who am I' will do fine. The > first time the prana surged in me, or the first time it really was > heavy, I fell over in shock. I was sitting cross-legged on the floor > meditating. I had felt surges throughout my life from childhood, but > attributed it to rocks and my surroundings etc. This time it was > heavy for I had stepped on to the path through taking up meditation, > so opening the door so to speak. I had also taken up some > preparatory breathing exercises or pranayama. > I notice mild and pleasant movement during meditation, these days, > and as Sarada Devi said, Japa will raise the Kundalini, or > Consciousness. > > Kundalini arising to the Crown Cakra doesn't result in Moksha the > Kundalini-Prana or mind has to be absorbed into the Heart or Self. > In the end the timing of all this is Karmic as is everything.....Om > Namah Sivaya...Tony. thank you Tony OM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 , "Era" <mi_nok> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste All,> > is through prayer or japa/rosary. > > > no can do: any attention just > amplyfies it and its torked to the > right, my head tilts to the right > with it and the left side of my neck > feels like will burst open > Namaste E,IMO, It is probably a little late to wait until the surges occur. One should be doing meditation and japa/rosary either constantly in the back of one's mind or doing meditation before retiring to bed. It is wise to meditate at a similar time everyday. A few minutes will do. I used to do the corpse pose and grab meditation at work during the day sometimes. This pose has the benefit of easily de- energising the muscles, so there is no tension. You say 3 am used to be your usual meditation time. Yes, this is the Brahma Murtha and advised for spiritual seekers. Unfortunately most of us work and cannot meet this schedule in many cases. However if you are used to meditating at this time, then 'God' is looking for the appointment. You may have to change the regular appointment time, then the energy will be absorbed/transmuted into the normal meditation. There are only two ways of getting help, either from a Realised Master/Mukti or from your own Inner Self, which amounts to the same thing. The other problem to avoid, as I mentioned in my original post, is psychological and psychosomatic, due to not enough Spiritual Direction. It may require intense prayer and meditation/japa for a while, but the answer truly lies 'within'. Which is the only advice I can give, as I am not a Jivanmukta or Realised Master.............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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