Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 dear era and harshasatsang members: reading the discussion begun by the openness of era and the openness and support of other members is so deeply touching for me. era, you have received much advice and many personal offers of assistance. the purity of who you are shines so much through your posts that i come across in different groups. i have no doubt that what is coming through you as energy is also receiving you, fully present within and as your unfolding. i too have gone through immense pain and the opposite, when energy courses through my system, as well as uncertainties about outcomes. all that has worked in the end for me and really by default, has been to surrender. it is the resistance that would cause me the most pain. that said, what has been most grounding has been frequent visits with nature. lately i remind myself i am willing to be with all that arises, and at times it is more a feeling of devotion to what is so completely wordless. i find i just cannot bear to hold onto anything. it is as if it continues to pour through me yet fall away from me. a continual oscillating stream, with ever still, heart, heart silence. the other day i read that the gates of enlightenment are guarded finally by the two: paradox and confusion. in this, conflicting suggestions all have their truth applicable within their contexts. and as most of us have found on our paths, no one else's answer whether from our most esteemed world master, neighbour or friend will save us the forging, discovery and acceptance of our own truth as we are now. only we can live the answer. Ramana spoke of how even after the gaze of the guru, the final liberation is up to the individual. each of us that are transparent in our process and willing to share in the way you have, make it that much more available for all of us to explore openly what is present here now. from my heart i thank you. grace to you, and all fellow travellers namaste, --josie-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 . Ramana spoke of how even after > the gaze of the guru, the final liberation is up to > the individual. > > each of us that are transparent in our process and > willing to share in the way you have, make it that > much more available for all of us to explore openly > what is present here now. > > from my heart i thank you. > > grace to you, and all fellow travellers > > namaste, > > --josie-- Namaste J et al, Yes I agree with that statement of Ramana's. Sometimes when 'God' calls we aren't ready in our ego mind, so we look for ways to slow it, change it, divert it into illusion etc etc. There is no Ego stronger in the world than that of an unrealised spiritual seeker. I had energies from a young person, but it really surged as an adult. There is a lot of psycho-babble and rubbish written on this subject as well of course. It is the realm of psychotics,charlatans, false gurus, hurdy-gurdy men, as well. I can only write from my own experience and comparing notes with Ramana's teachings. I was lucky that at the time of the great surge, I was already practising some Sadhana of sorts. After that I was thrown in totally to being absorbed in this spiritual path, and doing meditation and japa. I was using an Ishtadevata, as well. Also I had a Sufi guide name Ibn el Rasa, whether he was a spirit or from my own subconscious he was helpful-------take the middle path was most of his advice, if I remember. Of course in a previous life I may have gone through something similar to ERAs. Nowadays I am aware of the movement of energy during pre meditation but I don't dwell on it, I just stick to my point of meditation between the nose and lip, and Om Namah Sivaya in the background. In the end result we can only take our won advice.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 , "surrenderedinlove" <jkane@d...> wrote: > dear era and harshasatsang members: > > reading the discussion begun by the openness of era > and the openness and support of other members is so > deeply touching for me. > > era, you have received much advice and many > personal offers of assistance. > > the purity of who you are shines so much > through your posts that i come across in > different groups. i have no doubt that what > is coming through you as energy is also > receiving you, fully present within and > as your unfolding. > > i too have gone through immense pain and > the opposite, when energy courses through > my system, as well as uncertainties about > outcomes. all that has worked in the end > for me and really by default, has been to > surrender. it is the resistance that would cause > me the most pain. that said, what has been most > grounding has been frequent visits with nature. > lately i remind myself i am willing to be with > all that arises, and at times it is more a feeling > of devotion to what is so completely wordless. i > find i just cannot bear to hold onto anything. > it is as if it continues to pour through me yet > fall away from me. a continual oscillating stream, > with ever still, heart, heart silence. > > the other day i read that the gates of enlightenment > are guarded finally by the two: paradox and confusion. > in this, conflicting suggestions all have their truth > applicable within their contexts. and as most of us > have found on our paths, no one else's answer whether > from our most esteemed world master, neighbour or > friend will save us the forging, discovery and > acceptance of our own truth as we are now. only we > can live the answer. this is IT Josie ! it is not possibel for me now; to accept myself... this is the spiritual ego thingy; the fear of not getting enlightened + now I know, that there is no such thing anyway > Ramana spoke of how even after > the gaze of the guru, the final liberation is up to > the individual. > > each of us that are transparent in our process and > willing to share in the way you have, make it that > much more available for all of us to explore openly > what is present here now. > > from my heart i thank you. > > grace to you, and all fellow travellers > > namaste, > > --josie-- thank you Josie, I was 'plugged in' in the same painful manner to some collective cyber-thingy a year ago last time [my heart was in there] --and there it is ! a display of my escaping ego lullaby BS: the hope in, that 'I am useful spiritually' = pluggedin its all is on a razor's edge pittfalls are everywhere I'm grateful to share and learn with you all thank you, e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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