Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Dear Antoine merci beaucoup thank you so much for your sharing with us this wealth! in LOVE i AM michael >Antoine Carré <antoine.carre > To: ><onsriyantra>,<> Subject: > Where is the Heart? Mon, 4 Oct 2004 >19:52:26 -0400 > >From Ramana Maharshi: http://www.chez.com/1564557/c_rgospel.htm > >D. Sri Bhagavan has specified a particular place for the Heart within the >physical body, that it is in the chest, two digits to the right from the >meridian. > >M. Yes, that is the Centre of spiritual experience according to the >testimony of Sages. The spiritual Heart-centre is quite different from the >blood- propelling, muscular organ known by the same name. The spiritual >Heart-centre is not an organ of the body. All that you can say of the Heart >is that it is the very Core of your being, that which you are really >identical (as the word in Sanskrit literally means), whether you are awake, >asleep or dreaming, whether you are engaged in work or immersed in Samadhi. > >D. In that case, how can it be localized in any part of the body? Fixing a >place for the Heart would imply setting physiological limitations to That >which is beyond space and time. > >M. That is right. But the person who puts the question about the position >of the Heart, considers himself as existing with or in the body. While >putting the question now, would you say that your body alone is here but >that you are speaking from somewhere else? No, you accept your bodily >existence. It is from this point of view that any reference to a physical >body comes to be made. > >Truly speaking pure Consciousness is indivisible, it is without parts. It >has no form and shape, no 'within' and 'without'. There is no 'right' or >'left' for it. Pure Consciousness, which is the Heart, includes all; and >nothing is outside or apart from it. That is the ultimate Truth. > >From this absolute standpoint, the Heart, Self or Consciousness can have no >particular place assigned to it in the physical body. What is the reason? >The body is itself a mere projection of the mind, and the mind is but a >poor reflection of the radiant Heart. How can That in which everything is >contained, be itself confined as a tiny part within the physical body which >is but an infinitesimal, phenomenal manifestation of the one Reality? > >But people do not understand this. They cannot help thinking in terms of >physical body and the world. For instance, you say "I have come to this >Asramam all the way from my country beyond the Himalayas''. But that is not >the truth. Where there is a 'coming' or 'going' or any movement whatever, >for the one, all-pervading Spirit which you really are? You are where you >have always been. It is your body that moved or was conveyed from place to >place till it reached this Asramam. > >This is the simple truth, but to a person who considers himself a subject >living in an objective world, it appears as something altogether visionary! > >It is by coming down to the level of the ordinary understanding that a >place is assigned to the Heart in the physical body. > >D. How then shall I understand Sri Bhagavan's statement that the experience >of the Heart-centre is at the particular place in the chest? > >M. Once you accept that from the true and absolute standpoint, the Heart as >pure Consciousness is beyond space and time, it will be easy for you to >understand the rest in its correct perspective. > >D. It is only on that basis that I have put the question about the position >of the Heart. I am asking about Sri Bhagavan's experience. > >M. Pure Consciousness wholly unrelated to the physical body and >transcending the mind is a matter of direct experience. Sages know their >bodiless, eternal Existence just as the layman knows his bodily existence. >But the experience of Consciousness can be with bodily awareness as well as >without it. In the bodiless experience of Pure Consciousness the Sage is >beyond time and space, and no question about the position of the Heart can >then at all arise. > >Since, however, the physical body cannot subsist (with life) apart from >Consciousness, bodily awareness has to be sustained by pure Consciousness. >The former, by its nature, is limited and can never be co-extensive with >the latter, which is infinite and eternal. Body-consciousness is merely a >monad- like, miniature reflection of the pure Consciousness with which the >Sage has realized his identity. For him, therefore, body consciousness is >only a reflected ray, as it were, of the self-effulgent, infinite >Consciousness which is himself. It is in this sense alone that the Sage is >aware of his bodily existence. > >Since, during the bodiless experience of the Heart as pure Consciousness, >the Sage is not at all aware of the body, that absolute experience is >localized by him within the limits of the physical body by a sort of >feeling-recollection made while he is with bodily awareness. > >Aham and Aham Vritti > > >"All spiritual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our >Original Source." From The Essential teachings of Ramana Maharshi, A visual >Journey. http://www3.sympatico.ca/antoine.carre/maharshi.htm > > > > > _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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