Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 , "Harsha" wrote: > - > "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > <> > Monday, October 04, 2004 6:47 PM > Re: Energy surges- Kundalini-Prana. > > > As Lakshmana Swamy says prana raised to the sahasrara may result in > > some increase in siddhis but that is all. IMO it will not go down > > the amrita nadi to the 'Heart', if the vijnanamayakosa isn't > > cleansed of its vasanas and samskaras. So if it cannot do that, it > > begs the question doesn't it? > *********************************** > You are certainly entitled to your opinion Tony. > > The mind need not be completely free of vasanas and samskaras to merge in > the Heart. > > If that was true, how would one gain direct knowledge of the Heart? > > In the beginning, the vasanas and samaskras are suppressed through devotion, > meditation, and Grace of Bhagavan for direct knowledge of the Heart. > > If it was not for Grace, it would not be possible, because no one is free of > vasanas, as that is the nature of the mind and the body. > > In fact, mind becoming one with the Heart, and then coming out knows its own > nature. > > Only then vasanas are seen for what they are and one becomes nonjudgmental > towards these. > > Who is Lakshmana Swamy's Guru? Is it not Sri Ramana? > > Sri Ramana has spoken about Kundalini Shakti and the Heart. > > There are many ways to look at all this so need to be rigid. > > Love to all > Harsha Namaste Harsha et al,IMO, in my questioning opinion, I'm not trying to be judgemental or rigid. I am expressing an opinion that it is not a tantric one in the common understanding. Then again nobody in tantra will admit there is another step to Moksha via the concept of the amrita nadi as Ramana says. They believe the union of Siva/Sakti occurs at the Sahasrara and that is it.-Kula-Arnava-Tantra 8:109. I find this text quite confusing and contradictory. 9:14 it talks of Nirvikalpa Samadhi and then goes on to talk of it as an ecstasy which is an experience and therefore Saguna. They are in the main attached to the surges and ecstasies. Bliss is not the end result it is the final impediment to Moksha. Tantrikas even talk of Sahaja as being ecstatic as well. So here we are dealing with what the Sufis call 'states', and others Samadhis, in term somewhat different to Vedantic or Buddhist. Ramana says that in true Samadhi there is only Peace, as does Jesus. Ecstasy is a kind of memory that occurs approaching and leaving Samadhi. The ultimate though is that once one merges with 'God'-one becomes God and the mind is destroyed, according to Ramana. So there is a lot of different interpretation here as in Vedantic Samadhi and Buddhist Samadhi for example, a lot of semantics. IMO opinion still, what passes for K-acivity can be explained in other ways...I understand my path is more Advaitic than Tantric and this may lead to some being confused by my statements of opinion..............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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