Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 , "MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: > Dear Era and everyone interested in this subject > > > first > > "i" would not write to you if "you" would not "deserve" it > > > > GOT IT????? > so much > > > > when being about ten years old > > > i started to question the existence of god > > why? > > how can God allow Holocaust to happen and how can he allow that his name > LOVE was misused by human beings in this terrible way killing milliards of > human being in the name of love Gd and so on???? > > without outside help in this gentle age i came to the conclusion that > reincarnation must exist which would solve all this questions > > during this process i discovered that my belief in GD is not an belief but > KNOWING THRU MY HEART > this knowing thu the heart is necessary Namaste M, You are quite close, there is ultimately no 'God'. Yes the holocaust and killing of 11 million Jews, Russians, Politicos, Gypsies, Gays, Communists and others indicates that there is no God doing anything. Anymore than the killing of billions of animals weekly is an indication of God. The Universe runs on its own karma, even down to us dropping a piece of paper, according to Ramana. There is no Personal God ultimately, only Nirguna Brahman, all this is a projection, and illusion so to speak-----a dream. It is wound up like a clock and runs by itself, on karma. There being only karma and prana in creation--------Grace is Saguna Brahman. So effectivley there is no God, we are left to our own devices and karma..........A personal Guru may advise or even give some diksha but the rest is up to us, and even that is karmic. So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had done to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of energy consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > You are quite close, there is ultimately no 'God'. And you are quite close too, Tony. There is ultimately only God. > Yes the holocaust and killing of 11 million Jews, Russians, > Politicos, Gypsies, Gays, Communists and others indicates that there > is no God doing anything. Anymore than the killing of billions of > animals weekly is an indication of God. The Universe runs on its own > karma, even down to us dropping a piece of paper, according to > Ramana. > There is no Personal God ultimately, only Nirguna Brahman, all this > is a projection, and illusion so to speak-----a dream. Actually the perceptions are the projections and the illusions. That is the dream. Life is real, not a dream, even in Nirguna Brahman. What is it you awaken to? (another dream? no life? NOT) We awaken to what is real, not the projections and illusions. > > It is wound up like a clock and runs by itself, on karma. There > being only karma and prana in creation--------Grace is Saguna > Brahman. > > So effectivley there is no God, we are left to our own devices and > karma..........A personal Guru may advise or even give some diksha > but the rest is up to us, and even that is karmic. With those beliefs (no God, left to our own devices & karma), it would be a difficult and long road. > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had done > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of energy > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. Now both those statements about the holocaust and animals are just more stupid beliefs. Oh my! Honey, has anyone taught you about beliefs before? xxxtg > You are quite close, there is ultimately no 'God'. > > Yes the holocaust and killing of 11 million Jews, Russians, > Politicos, Gypsies, Gays, Communists and others indicates that there > is no God doing anything. Anymore than the killing of billions of > animals weekly is an indication of God. The Universe runs on its own > karma, even down to us dropping a piece of paper, according to > Ramana. > There is no Personal God ultimately, only Nirguna Brahman, all this > is a projection, and illusion so to speak-----a dream. > > It is wound up like a clock and runs by itself, on karma. There > being only karma and prana in creation--------Grace is Saguna > Brahman. > > So effectivley there is no God, we are left to our own devices and > karma..........A personal Guru may advise or even give some diksha > but the rest is up to us, and even that is karmic. > > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had done > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of energy > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 , "Tg" <Leteegee@c...> wrote: > > > > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > > You are quite close, there is ultimately no 'God'. > > > And you are quite close too, Tony. There is ultimately only God. Namaste, There is ultimately no God or only God, only Nirguna Brahman.......ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had done > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of energy > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. Hi Tony: You are stepping on some toes here. People who are not in the conversation and do not share your beliefs are being disenfranchised by your comments. In your system they would of course deserve this. Which means of course that you deserve to be confused as to why people are offended by what is the objective truth to you. Until you understand that there is not one view, yours, that describes accurately any event you will continue to be considered ignorant by intelligent and more tactful people unwilling to hurt innocents by their words under the guise of the truth. When the truth becomes a weapon it too should be laid down. When you learn this lesson clarity will be the karmic result. Love bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had > done > > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of energy > > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. > > Hi Tony: > > You are stepping on some toes here. People who are not in the > conversation and do not share your beliefs are being disenfranchised > by your comments. > > In your system they would of course deserve this. > > Which means of course that you deserve to be confused as to why > people are offended by what is the objective truth to you. > > Until you understand that there is not one view, yours, that > describes accurately any event you will continue to be considered > ignorant by intelligent and more tactful people unwilling to hurt > innocents by their words under the guise of the truth. When the > truth becomes a weapon it too should be laid down. > > When you learn this lesson clarity will be the karmic result. > > Love > bobby G. Namaste, I would have thought anyone on a Vedantic site like this would have already accepted the concepts of karma and reincarnation. There was nobody killed in the holocaust, 11.5 million assorted groups, that was innocent, they were all guilty in previous lives. That's what brought them there. Also with regard to animals etc; I would also have thought that Ahmsa would be another concept familiar on these type of sites. None of these things are really my view they are the view of many Vedantic Saints.....So clarity it there for me...............ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote: > the mystery deepens.. I didn't send it.. I am 'don't play it again sam'.... > Harsha Re: to ERA NO GOD > Sam [s.Pasiencier@p... Re: to ERA NO GOD I am not atheist I am not atheist I am not atheist I just prefere the non-theist Buddhist thought love and peace, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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