Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 , "Wim" <wim_borsboom> wrote: > > Please Harsha, step in..., Tony is entering the danger zone again... > > Wim Namaste, Is the danger zone called, 'telling it as it is' or 'Truth' by any chance?.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Dear Tg thank you for stating the obvious but if you are stuck in concepts in judging in beliefsystems as a mean of protecing "yourself" from the healing energy of pure LOVE GRACE GD you function like a machine and at the same time you belief even more in "you" being "right" and the other one "wrong" no way out of this trap only thru suffering and even then only when ready for it wound received during infancy and growing up can lead to this deadly behaviour no one can help those people only they themselves giving up all ideas all concepts all security nets comple unconditional surrender is necessary to heal ourselves in LOVE i AM thank you again for your outing........ michael >"Tg" <Leteegee > > > Re: to ERA NO GOD >Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:43:34 -0000 > > > > >, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> >wrote: > > > You are quite close, there is ultimately no 'God'. > > >And you are quite close too, Tony. There is ultimately only God. > > > > Yes the holocaust and killing of 11 million Jews, Russians, > > Politicos, Gypsies, Gays, Communists and others indicates that >there > > is no God doing anything. Anymore than the killing of billions of > > animals weekly is an indication of God. The Universe runs on its >own > > karma, even down to us dropping a piece of paper, according to > > Ramana. > > There is no Personal God ultimately, only Nirguna Brahman, all >this > > is a projection, and illusion so to speak-----a dream. > > >Actually the perceptions are the projections and the illusions. >That is the dream. Life is real, not a dream, even in Nirguna >Brahman. What is it you awaken to? (another dream? no life? NOT) >We awaken to what is real, not the projections and illusions. > > > > > > It is wound up like a clock and runs by itself, on karma. There > > being only karma and prana in creation--------Grace is Saguna > > Brahman. > > > > So effectivley there is no God, we are left to our own devices and > > karma..........A personal Guru may advise or even give some diksha > > but the rest is up to us, and even that is karmic. > > >With those beliefs (no God, left to our own devices & karma), it >would be a difficult and long road. > > > > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had >done > > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of >energy > > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. > > >Now both those statements about the holocaust and animals are just >more stupid beliefs. Oh my! > >Honey, has anyone taught you about beliefs before? > >xxxtg > > > > > > > You are quite close, there is ultimately no 'God'. > > > > Yes the holocaust and killing of 11 million Jews, Russians, > > Politicos, Gypsies, Gays, Communists and others indicates that >there > > is no God doing anything. Anymore than the killing of billions of > > animals weekly is an indication of God. The Universe runs on its >own > > karma, even down to us dropping a piece of paper, according to > > Ramana. > > There is no Personal God ultimately, only Nirguna Brahman, all >this > > is a projection, and illusion so to speak-----a dream. > > > > It is wound up like a clock and runs by itself, on karma. There > > being only karma and prana in creation--------Grace is Saguna > > Brahman. > > > > So effectivley there is no God, we are left to our own devices and > > karma..........A personal Guru may advise or even give some diksha > > but the rest is up to us, and even that is karmic. > > > > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had >done > > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of >energy > > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. > > > _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 To all insulters of Tony, Tony is a strict advaitin and talking in those terms only. Some people seem to be thoroughly ignorant of advaita otherwise they would stop insulting Tony. By the way, he did not use the word "deserve", you did. He is just talking about the law of karma as laid down in Hindu Shastras. It has nothing to do with morals. It is about cause and effect only. Tony is a highly learned man and deserves respect. He just speaks the truth. As far as K.Prana is concerned, it might be helpful to find out who it is this (the surges ) is happening to. Christina from the shadows On Oct 6, 2004, at 01:48, texasbg2000 wrote: > > > So all those people in the holocaust were getting what they had > done > > to others in previous lives. The billions of animals is a little > > more difficult to explain. IMO It is a mixture of people born as > > animals so they can suffer karma and the natural sequence of energy > > consuming energy as in the world normally.........ONS..Tony. > > Hi Tony: > > You are stepping on some toes here. People who are not in the > conversation and do not share your beliefs are being disenfranchised > by your comments. > > In your system they would of course deserve this. > > Which means of course that you deserve to be confused as to why > people are offended by what is the objective truth to you. > > Until you understand that there is not one view, yours, that > describes accurately any event you will continue to be considered > ignorant by intelligent and more tactful people unwilling to hurt > innocents by their words under the guise of the truth. When the > truth becomes a weapon it too should be laid down. > > When you learn this lesson clarity will be the karmic result. > > Love > bobby G. > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > Sponsor > > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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