Moving on

[Guest guest]

Before Harsha hurries to turn off the fan I would like to suggest the

following.

On this list and also earlier on NDS a few fundamental ideas appeared

regularly.

After a number of repetitions many loose interest.

 

I believe a way to move on is to write a few statements into the foundation

of this place.

A selection of input from memebers could be put in the files section.

Wrapping it all up with Ramanas words would be vey nice.

 

And so themes we have passed and agreed upon don't have to be repeated over

and over again, a reference to the section should be used.

Then if a member feeling not all has been said on the definition and

attached texts could request a reopening of the theme.

 

Because the way it works is, this repetition, is turning into a good way of

loosing the essential in the middle.

And the opposite could be inspiring, like cleaning the house and archiving

the old loops.

 

One of the themes is about the world being real or not.

I was actually looking for the piece Gloria posted maybe two years ago where

Ramana comments on Sankaras statements about the world being unreal or

dreamlike.

 

I have now developed an allergy to the S word and the N word from

over-exposure and conceptualisation and hope Ramanas statement can help:

 

Alan

 

 

Question: Does Bhagavan see the world as part and parcel of himself? How

does he see the world?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: The Self alone is and nothing else. However, it is

differentiated owing to ignorance. Differentiation is threefold:

 

Of the same kind

 

Of a different kind; and

 

As parts in itself

 

The world is not another Self similar to the Self. It is not different from

the Self; nor is it part of the Self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, "Al Larus" <erilarend>

wrote:

> One of the themes is about the world being real or not.

> I was actually looking for the piece Gloria posted maybe two years

ago where

> Ramana comments on Sankaras statements about the world being unreal

or

> dreamlike.

 

Dear Alan,

 

Is this the one?

-Gloria

 

Question: Sri Bhagavan often says that Maya

(illusion) and reality are the same. How can that be?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Sankara was criticized for his

views on Maya without being understood. He said

that Brahman is real, The universe is unreal, and The

universe is Brahman. He did not stop at the second,

because the third explains the other two. It signifies

that the universe is real if perceived as the Self, and

unreal if perceived apart from the Self. Hence Maya

and reality are one and the same.

[Guest guest]

, "glee_be" <glee@c...> wrote:

>

> , "Al Larus" <erilarend>

> wrote:

> > One of the themes is about the world being real or not.

> > I was actually looking for the piece Gloria posted maybe two

years

> ago where

> > Ramana comments on Sankaras statements about the world being

unreal

> or

> > dreamlike.

>

> Dear Alan,

>

> Is this the one?

> -Gloria

>

> Question: Sri Bhagavan often says that Maya

> (illusion) and reality are the same. How can that be?

>

> Sri Ramana Maharshi: Sankara was criticized for his

> views on Maya without being understood. He said

> that Brahman is real, The universe is unreal, and The

> universe is Brahman. He did not stop at the second,

> because the third explains the other two. It signifies

> that the universe is real if perceived as the Self, and

> unreal if perceived apart from the Self. Hence Maya

> and reality are one and the same.

 

 

The universe and life is real as even in the formless, the universe

is known, although not seen. It appears there is no world. What is

seen is self mirrored eternally, in the form(lessness) of thousands

of suns/light that appear to go on forever. Much like when holding

a handheld mirror and looking at it while being backwards towards a

larger mirror -- one sees yourself in the smaller mirror reflected

many many times. Although these suns are the self reflected, they

are also known for what is.

 

With Love,

xxxtg

[Guest guest]

, "Tg" <Leteegee@c...> wrote:

>

> , "glee_be" <glee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > , "Al Larus"

<erilarend>

 

Namaste, I won't take a risk on my own opinion here is Ramana's.

 

Q. You seem to be an exponent of ajata doctrine of advaita vedanta?

 

Ramana. "I do not teach only the ajata (creation never happened at

all it is just in the mind of the ajnani), doctrine. I approve of

all schools.

The same truth has to be expressed in different ways to suit the

capacity of the hearer.

 

The ajata doctrine says, 'Nothing exists except the one reality.

There is no birth, no death, no projection or drawing in, no

seekers, no bondage, no liberation. The one unity alone exists".

 

So only Nirguna exists Saguna and anything else only exist in the

mind of the non realised person.........ONS...Tony.