Moving on

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, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

> And Tony wrote...

> >

> > Namaste, I won't take a risk on my own opinion here is Ramana's.

> >

> > Q. You seem to be an exponent of ajata doctrine of advaita

vedanta?

> >

> > Ramana. "I do not teach only the ajata (creation never happened

at

> > all it is just in the mind of the ajnani), doctrine. I approve

of

> > all schools.

> > The same truth has to be expressed in different ways to suit the

> > capacity of the hearer.

> >

> > The ajata doctrine says, 'Nothing exists except the one

reality.

> > There is no birth, no death, no projection or drawing in, no

> > seekers, no bondage, no liberation. The one unity alone exists".

>

>

>

> > So only Nirguna exists Saguna and anything else only exist in

the

> > mind of the non realised person.........ONS...Tony.

> >

>

> And this is not an opinion?

> And Nirguna "exists?"

> Thanks for a good laugh, Tony!!!

>

> ONS.......Joyce

 

Namaste,

 

It is hard to find words to describe the indescribable especially

for some who do not absorb the ajata concept. Of course Nirguna

doesnt exist or be, for that is the Saguna attribute.

This all came up because I said there was no God interfering in the

illusion and only karma was the engine. This is of course mixing my

apples and oranges a little, for this illusion never ever existed at

all.

Within illusion it is obvious that there is no God interfering,

otherwise there would be no bodhisattavas and avatars, and even that

is karmic.

AS there is no time, all karma happens at once action and reaction.

Our only choice in the matter is our opinion on the action, the

action itself is unavoidable, that is why saranagathi or surrender

is important. So one makes the right or wrong decision mentally on

an action at the same time, and the result is at the same time.

 

This is illustrated aptly by the Avatar Sri Krishna, who told Arjun

that the enemy were already dead, they had already been killed. This

shows that surrender and the idea of action has to be completed.

 

In the end result we have to go within find Sakti so we also realise

Nirguna.

 

Prayer to change things is really a comfort only, for it is external.

The only prayer needed is surrender to the reality. IMO of

course................ONS..Tony.