Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 > > Yes, It cannot be said any better > > > Everyday life is not divorced from the Eternal state. > > > So long as daily life is imagined to be different from > > > the spiritual life these difficulties arise. > > > If the spiritual life is rightly understood the active > > > life will be found to be not different from it. > > > March 21, 1937 ~Ramana Talks > > > > So there is no need to change one iota to active or every > > day life... > > > > Wim Hi Antoine, You are asking: > This brings up a question, If someone is > not happy in all aspect of his or her life... > (Meaning he or she does not find the Eternal state in it) Or could it mean that their idea of the Eternal state is flawed, could it be that the reason for unhappiness lies somewhere else? Of course it does have to do with the Eternal state, surely, but not that they are missing it, but that they have been (1) blinded to see it already integrated in their life or (2)that they have been convinced that they are not to participate in that Eternal State... as though the Eternal State is made conditional upon the way one lives. That unfair blindedness and the conditionality on life and one's being is the pain of unhappiness and suffering. By the way, the Eternal state is never not present. If the Eternal state would not be, Life would not be... > If someone is not happy in all aspect of his or > her life. Does he or she changes that aspect... Anything one tries to change one's 'unhappy state', any attempt to ameliorate one's suffering contributes to the extension of the very state one tries to change, thus prolonging it... (Notice the words TRYING or ATTEMPTING in the above paragraphs, they point to the delusive and illusive nature of such action, thus 'shaping' "pseudo"-life.) There is another way, it does NOT include attempts and doing... it is Ramana's way... Inquiry (leading to insight). > ... or instead, tries to find the Eternal state > in the aspect of life where it Is not found? The aspects of life you are describing, sound to me like aspects of pseudo-life. Pseudo-life is that what we do when we have somehow been convinced that "you as you are" and "life as it is" is not good enough and has to be 'conditionally' improved. (Something that for most people starts at the moment of their birth.) The conditional attempt at improvements are instigated by the suffering caused by our unfairly being judged. The attempts to improve come from suffering the lie of inadequacy and thus promulgate and increase the suffering and the lie. Those who convinced us of our inadequacy are our "daemons". We do NOT need to fight those daemons (lest they gain in strength as well and prolong their presence), we will though through Enquiry (leading-to-Insight) rediscover that life IS and that we ARE. There is no conditionality in nature, only in the 'denatured' human. When we recover from the 'expectations of conditionality' we rediscover our human divine nature of being. Ramana: "Everyday life is not divorced from the Eternal state." We all know the adage not to fix anything that is not broken, but that seems exactly what we feel urged to do upon the birth of a child... That a child is not able to stand up and speak and hold its pee, does not mean that it is weak, helpless and devious. Of course not, but you could not tell that by the way our little children are treated: as though they ARE inadequate because they are not mature and grown up yet. The way we treat our little ones often is from the assumption that being a baby is inadequate in principle. That is so engrained in how we receive our little children in our midst... Honestly, how often has that not made us to be our children's daemons? > > I ask this because I could easily choose a work (i.e. to be a tai chi instructor) where it would be more easy for me to not feel divorced from the Eternal state from time to time. Yet I also like my work (i.e. fixing people crying because they broke Sony things) for when I am able to find again a spark of the eternal state doing it, I know that I am able to find it in all aspect that life as still to offer me. Good for you Antoine! You know Antoine, I have for 14 years worked in a variety of factory settings, for 11 years taught computer classes in various settings, for 5 years been active in Montessori schools, for 3 years landscaping... and then some... It was not the work that at times made me forget the Eternal state... Wim PS. When Emmy (my wife) and myself were discussing this at breakfast, it struck me that what we humans so often do with our children, that it would be same as telling a flower to be a rainbow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 << Good for you Antoine! You know Antoine, I have for 14 years worked in a variety of factory settings, for 11 years taught computer classes in various settings, for 5 years been active in Montessori schools, for 3 years landscaping... and then some... It was not the work that at times made me forget the Eternal state... >> Hello Wim, May I ask what made you forget the Eternal State.... Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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