Spiritual Death /Tony

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Tony,

 

This quote is from Lama Anagarika Govinda not from Ramana Marhashi. Unless Lama

Anagarika quoted Marhashi?

 

Antoine

 

 

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

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>

> > Only one who has reached that supra-individual state of Perfect

> Enlightenment can renounce 'individuality'. Those, however, who

only

> suppress their sense-activities and natural functions of life,

before they

> even have tried to make the right use of them, will not become

saints but

> merely petrified. A saintliness, which is built merely on negative

virtues,

> merely on avoidance and escape, may impress the crowd and may be

taken as

> proof of self-control and spiritual strength; however, it will

lead only to

> spiritual self-annihilation, but not to Enlightenment. It is the

way of

> stagnation, of spiritual death. It is the liberation from

suffering at the

> price of life and of the potential spark of Illumination within

us...

 

Namaste,

 

This is one of the most misused quotes of Ramana, especially by

sense indulgers. One must always take notice of the audience to whom

he speaks etc.

 

Here he is talking about Sadhus that suppress instead of 'rising

above the desire', and not doing nishkarma karma. He is talking of

some kind of egoistic puritanism, not surrender. I believe he also

referred to a couple who abstained from sex but still had the

desire. He intimated that this was not useful, for the desire is

what has to be risen above not the act or thought.

 

It is like when I first gave up eating meat out of respect for

ahimsa and animals. I desired meat all the same and looked for look

alike taste alike substitutes. However with meditation and sadhana I

overcame the desire, it became a fried memory seed.

 

One cannot meditate too much for true meditation is beyond time and

space and there is no time. However in the life a Grihasta there has

to be a limit due to time and responsibilities.

 

In the end result pouring the oil of desire on the fire of desire

usually builds a greater fire.........ONS...Tony.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

> Tony,

>

> This quote is from Lama Anagarika Govinda not from Ramana

Marhashi. Unless Lama Anagarika quoted Marhashi?

>

> Antoine

 

Namaste A,

 

I confused this with the quote that Ramana gave about the couple in

the Ashram that were abstaining from sex but still had it in their

minds. I ass-umed this was the balance of the quote, as I didn't

have it in front of me.......So I made an error.

Well I didn't my mind did, what is new? I have so many books on

these subjects, including quite a few Tibetan ones, that when I

quote from the top of my head it sometimes appears from another part

of my anatomy.

However my response is the same to the problem of the senses,

pouring oil on the fire is just causing more fire. The only solution

is Nishkarma Karma karma and a gradual withdrawal of

attachment...ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

Namaste T,

 

There is no error when we renounce to the fruits-of-all-actions (*).

 

The underlined meaning of your email was clear anyway. Why did I take the time

to underline that the quote was not from who you though it was. I don`t know. It

is not important to me.

 

I must say that I must guess or look for a long time on the internet the meaning

of words like 'Nishkarma Karma karma'. I know English does not have equivalent

words to translate Hindi based on Sanskrit. Would you have by any chance,

equivalent words in English (or French:-) that would point to the Hindi words

you use? It would help me in understanding your manifestation is trying to tell

me or tell others...

 

You said before, a while ago, that I appear to be a tantrika. And I did not

answer directly. I will answer here. My primary interest in studying, living,

all those religions, philosophies, ways of thinking, alchimies is to find the

best way to communicate with others. The truth is the same for all. To often we

come to believe we are talking of different truths simply because we did not

learn to communicate who we are.

 

Antoine

 

(*) 11. If you are unable to do even this (this is here: making the non

manifested the goal of all action), then taking refuge in Me, self-controlled,

renounce the fruits-of-all-actions.

Bhagavhad Gita. Chant XII - paragraph 11.

 

, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

> Tony,

>

> This quote is from Lama Anagarika Govinda not from Ramana

Marhashi. Unless Lama Anagarika quoted Marhashi?

>

> Antoine

 

Namaste A,

 

I confused this with the quote that Ramana gave about the couple in

the Ashram that were abstaining from sex but still had it in their

minds. I ass-umed this was the balance of the quote, as I didn't

have it in front of me.......So I made an error.

Well I didn't my mind did, what is new? I have so many books on

these subjects, including quite a few Tibetan ones, that when I

quote from the top of my head it sometimes appears from another part

of my anatomy.

However my response is the same to the problem of the senses,

pouring oil on the fire is just causing more fire. The only solution

is Nishkarma Karma karma and a gradual withdrawal of

attachment...ONS...Tony.