Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Have you noticed the latest catch-phrase and credential in the world of spirituality these days? It is "Former Zen Monk," or "Former Zen Priest." Or "Former Buddhist Nun." If someone's a Former Zen Monk, suddenly they're a god. If they're a Former Buddhist Nun, suddenly a saint. It's as though the designation is dangled like a promising gemstone in front of the consumer hungry for spiritual gems. I, too, have decided to get on the bandwagon. I am now Jerry Katz, Former Zen Monk. That's right. Admit it. For a second I made you think I held some inner secrets or something. Right? And, I mean, who's gonna check? I can tell them I was in some monastery in wherever the hell they have monasteries. And that suddenly I saw the limitations of the monastery life and stood in my own freedom. Or something like that. But don't get me wrong. I do my research. I actually considered going the route of Former Catholic Priest. I mean, I love Thomas Merton, who was never a Former Catholic Monk. So I went to Google and plugged in "Former Catholic Priest," just to see what I'd be getting into if I went that route. What I found for headlines in the top twenty listings wasn't pretty: --Former Catholic Priest Pleads in Grand Theft, Tax Fraud --Former Catholic Priest Arrested - The Daily Utah Chronicle - World --Former Catholic Priest Convicted of Pedophilia. --Former Catholic priest Robert Burkholder, 82, admited he has had homosexual --Father Seromba, a former Catholic priest at Nyange Parish, Kibuye Province, surrendered to UN authorities in Italy --Officers from the Oxnard Police Department arrested former Catholic Priest, Father George --Former Catholic priest Charles F. Dearing pleaded innocent yesterday in Jefferson Circuit Court to a charge of sexually abusing a girl Damn. I'm sure there are wonderful Former Catholic Priests, but this ain't a good time to be a Former Catholic Priest. Nope. I don't think so. And I got a website to run, ads to sell, and organic vegetables high in anti-oxidants to buy. I can't align with that crap. So I followed my impression that it was totally cool to be a Former Zen Monk. I went back to Google and plugged in "Former Zen Monk." Sure enough, I found the following headlines in the top twenty listings: --A former Zen priest and survivor of “terminal” cancer, she uses meditation and other self-healing modalities in her practice and teaching. ... --Edge’ Voices from the Edge Speaker Series will present "The Transcendent Unity of Science, Art and Spirituality," a forum with a former Zen priest from Japan --I was given this book as reading for a course in Japanese religion taught by a former zen monk who had become a professor of Japanese religion after marrying ... --MEDITATION AS A HOBBY, NOT A CAREER. Former Zen Monk Advocates Self-Study. "To meditate…doesn’t require that you have a teacher…. ... --Also the author of The Wooden Bowl: Simple Meditation for Everyday Life, and a former Zen monk, Clark Strand has here written a book that is as much about Zen ... --A former Zen monk, Mu Soeng takes us back in an extensive introduction to the beginnings of Buddhist sutras and traces their development up to the appearance ... Yup. Definitely. I was convinced to go the route of Former Zen Monk. And that was that. I'm on the bandwagon. Not that I'm not a little sad. It should just as beautiful to be a Former Catholic Priest. It should be JUST as beautiful. There are men who have been Catholic priests who have seen a bigger picture to life and have left the priesthood. They're as wonderful as Former Zen Monks and Buddhist Nuns, if not more exemplary. They don't flash their title to consumers of spirituality. They don't sell it. HEAR THAT, Former Buddhist Nun? In fact, the more I think about it, the more I say screw this Former Zen Monk stuff. Just call me what I am: Jerry Katz, Former Hebrew School Student Who Failed Every Test Because He Never Listened, He Was Staring Out the Window At Buses As They Went By And Wishing He Could Be Out On The Street. ~ ~ ~ Welcome to the new Nonduality Salon. At one time this list was a place for people who wanted to express themselves in the most bottom line way. Now this is a vast space for people all around the world who are expressing themselves and living in ways that could be called nondual. They'll be entering this list via news clippings, book excerpts, and selections from different websites. Also, there will be the occasional essay, as above. There will be apparent contradiction. While blasting Former Buddhist Nun one day, her works and life are praised the next. We live and flow. Sometimes what you see here will be lovely, gracious, and peaceful; other times it will be offensive to some. It may be awesome in its ordinariness. The intent is to report with the sensibility of an activist, humourist, journalist. I'm an observer and reporter of the nondual scene. I equally love hearing about the spiritual goodness of a most genteel, humble lady who has worked for 35 years in the office of a church, and Margaret Cho ranting outrageously to the world about the treatment of the marginalized. Rumi isn't the only four letter word you'll hear spoken by firey kindred souls of the nondual. And if you don't like it, Rumi you. This list is not likely to include much from people who are active on other nonduality email lists. This is an alternative to all that. I want to hear from people outside the nonduality list mainstream. Also, there is no archive, therefore members have to receive either the digest or individual emails. Welcome. NondualitySalon/ Jerry Katz http://nonduality.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 "Jerry Katz" <umbada@n...> wrote: Hi Jerry > This list is not likely to include much from people who are active on other nonduality email lists. This is an alternative to all that. I want to hear from people outside the nonduality list mainstream. if nobody can post how will you hear people ? > Also, there is no archive, therefore members have to receive either the digest or individual emails. > > Welcome. > I tried hehe mi_nok (Banned by Owner) sat_karta (Banned by Owner) satkarta7 (Banned by Owner) Vicki, a sweet lady who has an alter male ego: Swami Z also just banned me from nondualnow I've no idea why, must be the nondual love toward none one of the 3 moderators [not Greg Goode the founder of NOnDualPhil] put me on moderation and out of time: my posts appear a day late there is something wrong with the nondual croud hmm Era > NondualitySalon/ > > > Jerry Katz > http://nonduality.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 , "Jerry Katz" <umbada@n...> wrote: > Have you noticed the latest catch-phrase and credential in the world of spirituality these days? It is "Former Zen Monk," or "Former Zen Priest." Or "Former Buddhist Nun." If someone's a Former Zen Monk, suddenly they're a god. If they're a Former Buddhist Nun, suddenly a saint. It's as though the designation is dangled like a promising gemstone in front of the consumer hungry for spiritual gems. > > I, too, have decided to get on the bandwagon. I am now Jerry Katz, Former Zen Monk. That's right. Admit it. For a second I made you think I held some inner secrets or something. Right? And, I mean, who's gonna check? I can tell them I was in some monastery in wherever the hell they have monasteries. And that suddenly I saw the limitations of the monastery life and stood in my own freedom. Or something like that. > > But don't get me wrong. I do my research. I actually considered going the route of Former Catholic Priest. I mean, I love Thomas Merton, who was never a Former Catholic Monk. So I went to Google and plugged in "Former Catholic Priest," just to see what I'd be getting into if I went that route. What I found for headlines in the top twenty listings wasn't pretty: > > --Former Catholic Priest Pleads in Grand Theft, Tax Fraud > > --Former Catholic Priest Arrested - The Daily Utah Chronicle - World > > --Former Catholic Priest Convicted of Pedophilia. > > --Former Catholic priest Robert Burkholder, 82, admited he has had homosexual > > --Father Seromba, a former Catholic priest at Nyange Parish, Kibuye Province, surrendered > to UN authorities in Italy > > --Officers from the Oxnard Police Department arrested former Catholic Priest, Father George > > --Former Catholic priest Charles F. Dearing pleaded innocent yesterday in Jefferson > Circuit Court to a charge of sexually abusing a girl > > Damn. I'm sure there are wonderful Former Catholic Priests, but this ain't a good time to be a Former Catholic Priest. Nope. I don't think so. And I got a website to run, ads to sell, and organic vegetables high in anti-oxidants to buy. I can't align with that crap. > > So I followed my impression that it was totally cool to be a Former Zen Monk. I went back to Google and plugged in "Former Zen Monk." Sure enough, I found the following headlines in the top twenty listings: > > --A former Zen priest and survivor of "terminal" cancer, she uses meditation and > other self-healing modalities in her practice and teaching. ... > > --Edge' Voices from the Edge Speaker Series will present "The Transcendent Unity of > Science, Art and Spirituality," a forum with a former Zen priest from Japan > > --I was given this book as reading for a course in Japanese religion taught by a former > zen monk who had become a professor of Japanese religion after marrying ... > > --MEDITATION AS A HOBBY, NOT A CAREER. Former Zen Monk Advocates Self-Study. > "To meditate…doesn't require that you have a teacher…. ... > > --Also the author of The Wooden Bowl: Simple Meditation for Everyday Life, and a former > Zen monk, Clark Strand has here written a book that is as much about Zen ... > > --A former Zen monk, Mu Soeng takes us back in an extensive introduction to the beginnings > of Buddhist sutras and traces their development up to the appearance ... > > Yup. Definitely. I was convinced to go the route of Former Zen Monk. And that was that. I'm on the bandwagon. > > Not that I'm not a little sad. It should just as beautiful to be a Former Catholic Priest. It should be JUST as beautiful. There are men who have been Catholic priests who have seen a bigger picture to life and have left the priesthood. They're as wonderful as Former Zen Monks and Buddhist Nuns, if not more exemplary. They don't flash their title to consumers of spirituality. They don't sell it. HEAR THAT, Former Buddhist Nun? > > In fact, the more I think about it, the more I say screw this Former Zen Monk stuff. > > Just call me what I am: Jerry Katz, Former Hebrew School Student Who Failed Every Test Because He Never Listened, He Was Staring Out the Window At Buses As They Went By And Wishing He Could Be Out On The Street. > > > ~ ~ ~ > > > Welcome to the new Nonduality Salon. > > At one time this list was a place for people who wanted to express themselves in the most bottom line way. > > Now this is a vast space for people all around the world who are expressing themselves and living in ways that could be called nondual. They'll be entering this list via news clippings, book excerpts, and selections from different websites. Also, there will be the occasional essay, as above. There will be apparent contradiction. While blasting Former Buddhist Nun one day, her works and life are praised the next. We live and flow. > > Sometimes what you see here will be lovely, gracious, and peaceful; other times it will be offensive to some. It may be awesome in its ordinariness. The intent is to report with the sensibility of an activist, humourist, journalist. I'm an observer and reporter of the nondual scene. I equally love hearing about the spiritual goodness of a most genteel, humble lady who has worked for 35 years in the office of a church, and Margaret Cho ranting outrageously to the world about the treatment of the marginalized. Rumi isn't the only four letter word you'll hear spoken by firey kindred souls of the nondual. And if you don't like it, Rumi you. > > This list is not likely to include much from people who are active on other nonduality email lists. This is an alternative to all that. I want to hear from people outside the nonduality list mainstream. > > Also, there is no archive, therefore members have to receive either the digest or individual emails. > > Welcome. > > NondualitySalon/ > > > Jerry Katz > http://nonduality.com > hi jerry, went to the "nondualitysalon" and it appears still inactive... former future me yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 NondualitySalon/ > > > > > > Jerry Katz > > http://nonduality.com > > > > > hi jerry, went to the "nondualitysalon" and it appears still > inactive... > > former future me > yosy hi Yosy in the present, looks like NDS will stay like that; inactive on the internet only Jerry's letters will come to a mailbox if we signe up.. imo: the archives where we all put in lots thoughts and have memories of long gone conversations, pondering on NonDuality should be opened for the members Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 , "Era" <mi_nok> wrote: > > NondualitySalon/ > > > > > > > > > Jerry Katz > > > http://nonduality.com > > > > > > > > > hi jerry, went to the "nondualitysalon" and it appears still > > inactive... > > > > former future me > > yosy > > hi Yosy in the present, > > looks like NDS will stay like that; > inactive on the internet only Jerry's > letters will come to a mailbox if we > signe up.. > > imo: the archives where we all put > in lots thoughts and have memories > of long gone conversations, pondering > on NonDuality should be opened for > the members > > Era hi era, and thanks... as the bedouins say "ahsan min balash" ("better than nothing"} yosy (ps. is really anything better than nothing? anything goes; nothing lasts forever...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 , "Era" <mi_nok> wrote: > > "Jerry Katz" <umbada@n...> wrote: > > Hi Jerry > > > > This list is not likely to include much from people who are active on other nonduality email lists. This is an alternative to all that. I want to hear from people outside the nonduality list mainstream. > > > if nobody can post how will you hear > people ? > > > > Also, there is no archive, therefore members have to receive either the digest or individual emails. > > > > Welcome. > > > > > I tried hehe > > mi_nok (Banned by Owner) > > sat_karta@h... (Banned by Owner) > > satkarta7@j... (Banned by Owner) > > Vicki, a sweet lady who has an alter > male ego: Swami Z also just banned me > from nondualnow > > I've no idea why, must be the nondual > love toward none > > one of the 3 moderators [not Greg > Goode the founder of NOnDualPhil] > put me on moderation and out > of time: my posts appear a day late > > > there is something wrong with the > nondual croud > > hmm > > Era Sorry to take up Harsha's list with this. This'll be my last post to this list regarding this thread. Everyone's been de-banned. As far as the other comments, there should probably be a forum or separate list to hear comments. But I don't have the time to moderate and manage such a list. Any comments about what's on NDS could be made on other lists and maybe I'll hear about it. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I tried but it felt like "Welcome to no place at all..." :-) Hi Jerry, are you sure you know what you want with the NON-SALON, are you sure you did not go bonkers... In jest, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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