Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 - "Tony OClery" <aoclery <> Friday, October 22, 2004 9:10 AM Advaita/Ramana > > Namaste,IMHO, > > Ramana says the only freewill we have is to realise the Jnana and > everything is predetermined. > > The Higher Self has no form and it is we who give it a > form, any form, any name. Nir-guna cannot act at all through > anything, that is > a contradiction in terms. > > 'Ramana' cannot manifest himself in any form to the devotee as he > that body/mind doesn't exist. It has gone back to the elements. It > is the devotee's subconscious that does the manifesting. Sure Ramana > was the Self but the body Ramana was just carrying out its > predetermined > prarabda karma unitil it dropped. During this time it went through > the appearance of Bhakti, actions etc. > > Bhakti is much misunderstood. To many it is the devotion and the > emotion they call Bhakti, but it is more than that. Being devoted to > the path of Jnana without any forms at all is still devotion. For it > is the search for the Self, which is the aim of all yogas. Most > Yogas are about concentration and one pointedness, suitable to the > sahdhaka. > > All actions are predetermined by prarabda karma, there is no 'God' > organising our lives, the energy is provided that's all. We have > only the choice in attitude that is all, not in the result. > > To a follower of Bhakti Marga this may sound dry and unspiritual, > but to an Advaitin on the Jnana Marga, it is the essence of Sadhana-- > --lifting the veil. > > Religion for example is possibly a crutch, but to a one-legged man a > crutch is most useful. > > I suppose when we realise we are just part of a dream, it > ends.......ONS...Tony. ****************************************** What ends? Can you clarify? "If Nothing Every Happened", what ends? Love, Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 , "Harsha" wrote: > - > "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > <> > Friday, October 22, 2004 9:10 AM > Advaita/Ramana > > > > > > Namaste,IMHO, > > > > Ramana says the only freewill we have is to realise the Jnana and > > everything is predetermined. > > > > The Higher Self has no form and it is we who give it a > > form, any form, any name. Nir-guna cannot act at all through > > anything, that is > > a contradiction in terms. > > > > 'Ramana' cannot manifest himself in any form to the devotee as he > > that body/mind doesn't exist. It has gone back to the elements. It > > is the devotee's subconscious that does the manifesting. Sure Ramana > > was the Self but the body Ramana was just carrying out its > > predetermined > > prarabda karma unitil it dropped. During this time it went through > > the appearance of Bhakti, actions etc. > > > > Bhakti is much misunderstood. To many it is the devotion and the > > emotion they call Bhakti, but it is more than that. Being devoted to > > the path of Jnana without any forms at all is still devotion. For it > > is the search for the Self, which is the aim of all yogas. Most > > Yogas are about concentration and one pointedness, suitable to the > > sahdhaka. > > > > All actions are predetermined by prarabda karma, there is no 'God' > > organising our lives, the energy is provided that's all. We have > > only the choice in attitude that is all, not in the result. > > > > To a follower of Bhakti Marga this may sound dry and unspiritual, > > but to an Advaitin on the Jnana Marga, it is the essence of Sadhana-- > > --lifting the veil. > > > > Religion for example is possibly a crutch, but to a one-legged man a > > crutch is most useful. > > > > I suppose when we realise we are just part of a dream, it > > ends.......ONS...Tony. > ****************************************** > What ends? Can you clarify? > > "If Nothing Every Happened", what ends? > > Love, > Harsha Namaste Harsha,IMHO, There is no beginning to lives but there is an end for it is all a dream, in the first place. Just as one's dream ceases when one awakes to the material world, one dreams of 'creation' end on Moksha and dropping of the body....Nir--guna has no attributes and never did. Oh I opened a site called advaitajnana on . It is not advertised or moderated and it is there not to offend those into Bhakti only and don't want to be offended........... advaitajnana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Tony OClery [aoclery] Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:18 PM Re: Advaita/Ramana > > > > Religion for example is possibly a crutch, but to a one-legged man a > > crutch is most useful. > > > > I suppose when we realise we are just part of a dream, it > > ends.......ONS...Tony. > ****************************************** > What ends? Can you clarify? > > "If Nothing Every Happened", what ends? > > Love, > Harsha Namaste Harsha,IMHO, There is no beginning to lives but there is an end for it is all a dream, in the first place. Just as one's dream ceases when one awakes to the material world, one dreams of 'creation' end on Moksha and dropping of the body....Nir--guna has no attributes and never did. Oh I opened a site called advaitajnana on . It is not advertised or moderated and it is there not to offend those into Bhakti only and don't want to be offended........... advaitajnana ****************************************** ****************************************** I would encourage everyone who is interested in Tony's views to join his list and benefit from his wisdom. Tony is on strict moderation on HS. Thanks Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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