Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Dissection is not the same as discrimination : ) Alan christiane cameron [christianecameron] 23. oktober 2004 21:14 atma_vichara Cc: Fwd: Re: Advaita and Dvaita. > christiane cameron <christianecameron > October 23, 2004 21:10:31 GMT+02:00 > advaitin > Cc: RamanaMaharshiDeutschland > Re: Re: Advaita and Dvaita. > > HI Tony, > > I would also like to add here, that it is of course clear to me, that > Maharshi has no separate existence apart from the self. Following the > merged Bhakti/Jnana Marga is just a different way of approaching > sadhana. I may not find the words to explain this from an intellectual > level, I can only share my own experience. I do not know how you do > it, Tony , I am getting my mind ready for the inward journey by > remembering Bhagawan. This automatically brings up a wave of love > which drowns all thoughts and takes me to place called hridayam where > the veils are lifted. The same thing happens when realizing love for > other beings in the universe, of course. But the ability to love > others, as I realized that they are not different from me, came by > first loving my Lord Shiva, dissolving in the pains of longing until > he at last manifested for me in the form of Arunachala and Bhagawan > Shri Ramana Maharshi. > > I hope this makes it a bit clearer. Bhakti shakes up your mind so that > you find the next step easier. This is the Shiva Bhakti not Vaishnava > Bhakti. > > Arunachalananda > > christina > > > On Oct 23, 2004, at 18:58, Tony OClery wrote: > >> >> >> advaitin, Amitha Krishnamurthi <amitha@g...> >> wrote: >> > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:43:57 -0000, Tony OClery <aoclery> >> wrote: >> > realization. >> > >> > besides..I seek to explain again that I didn't mean that Ramana >> would >> > manifest himself..I said the Nirguna Brahman adopts the "form" of >> > Ramana to those who find it appealing..just like other "forms" >> such as >> > Shiva, Vishnu etc.. >> > this would..going by the doctrine of advaita...indicate an >> evolvement >> > spiritually...and would possibly eventually lead to realizing that >> one >> > should move from "form" to "formless" before realizing that, that >> too >> > is an illusion. >> > >> > regards >> > Amitha >> >> Namaste, >> >> Perhaps I could accept Saguna Brahman adopts the form, but Nirguna >> is impossible...ONS..Tony. >> I don't want to offend the Bhaktis on here or elsewhere so I have >> founded a group, not advertised, where this can be discussed >> unmoderated. >> /advaitajnana >> >> You are welcome to say what you wish there...........ONS..>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity >> of Atman and Brahman. >> Advaitin List Archives available at: >> http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ >> To Post a message send an email to : advaitin >> Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sponsor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Will you help a needy child? >> >> · >> It only costs .60¢ a day · It's easier than you think. >> >> · >> Click here to meet a waiting child you can sponsor now. >> >> <l.gif> >> >> Links >> >> • >> advaitin/ >> >> • >> advaitin >> >> • Terms of >> Service. >> >> > Monsoonhouse Int. > Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron /join "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Dear Al please explain me Dissection and discrimination my english is not good enough seemingly in joy and gratitude michael >"Al Larus" <erilarend > <> >RE: Fwd: Re: Advaita and >Dvaita. Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:46:59 +0200 > > > >Dissection is not the same as discrimination : ) > > >Alan > > > christiane cameron >[christianecameron] 23. oktober 2004 21:14 To: >atma_vichara Cc: Subject: > Fwd: Re: Advaita and Dvaita. > > > > > > > > > christiane cameron <christianecameron > October 23, >2004 21:10:31 GMT+02:00 > advaitin > Cc: >RamanaMaharshiDeutschland > Re: Re: >Advaita and Dvaita. > > HI Tony, > > I would also like to add here, that it >is of course clear to me, that > Maharshi has no separate existence apart >from the self. Following the > merged Bhakti/Jnana Marga is just a >different way of approaching > sadhana. I may not find the words to explain >this from an intellectual > level, I can only share my own experience. I do >not know how you do > it, Tony , I am getting my mind ready for the inward >journey by > remembering Bhagawan. This automatically brings up a wave of >love > which drowns all thoughts and takes me to place called hridayam >where > the veils are lifted. The same thing happens when realizing love >for > other beings in the universe, of course. But the ability to love > >others, as I realized that they are not different from me, came by > first >loving my Lord Shiva, dissolving in the pains of longing until > he at >last manifested for me in the form of Arunachala and Bhagawan > Shri Ramana >Maharshi. > > I hope this makes it a bit clearer. Bhakti shakes up your >mind so that > you find the next step easier. This is the Shiva Bhakti not >Vaishnava > Bhakti. > > Arunachalananda > > christina > > > On Oct 23, >2004, at 18:58, Tony OClery wrote: > >> >> >> --- In >advaitin, Amitha Krishnamurthi <amitha@g...> >> wrote: >> > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:43:57 -0000, Tony OClery <aoclery> >> >wrote: >> > realization. >> > >> > besides..I seek to explain again that >I didn't mean that Ramana >> would >> > manifest himself..I said the >Nirguna Brahman adopts the "form" of >> > Ramana to those who find it >appealing..just like other "forms" >> such as >> > Shiva, Vishnu etc.. >> > > this would..going by the doctrine of advaita...indicate an >> >evolvement >> > spiritually...and would possibly eventually lead to >realizing that >> one >> > should move from "form" to "formless" before >realizing that, that >> too >> > is an illusion. >> > >> > regards >> > > Amitha >> >> Namaste, >> >> Perhaps I could accept Saguna Brahman >adopts the form, but Nirguna >> is impossible...ONS..Tony. >> I don't >want to offend the Bhaktis on here or elsewhere so I have >> founded a >group, not advertised, where this can be discussed >> unmoderated. >> >/advaitajnana >> >> You are welcome to say what you >wish there...........ONS..Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Discussion of >Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity >> of Atman and >Brahman. >> Advaitin List Archives available at: >> >http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ >> To Post a message send an >email to : advaitin >> Messages Archived at: >advaitin/messages >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Groups Sponsor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Will you help a >needy child? >> >> · >> It only costs .60¢ a day · It's easier than you >think. >> >> · >> Click here to meet a waiting child you can sponsor now. > >> >> <l.gif> >> >> Links >> >> • To visit your group on the >web, go to: >> advaitin/ >> >> • To > from this group, send an email to: >> >advaitin >> >> • Your use of is >subject to the Terms of >> Service. >> >> > Monsoonhouse Int. > >Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron > Monsoonhouse Int. >Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron > > > > > > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Links > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 **** Dissection cutting so as to separate into pieces, a minute and critical analysis Discrimination to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences Etymology: Latin discriminatus, from discrimin-, discrimen distinction, from discernere to distinguish between **** So my personal understanding of discrimination ( as used here ) includes an instant disappearing of the 'unnecessary' element. It is interesting to observe how we cling to that last brick when a house has been pulled down. When I learnt this, I had finally arrived at a point where I had a perfect presentation/ conceptualisation of reality, ( and then it was like any piece of crap in the waste bin : ). I must add that I would not have been able part from it without a teacher, simply asking me why I needed it. It was like at last being able to see the dentist with no holes and then getting all your teeth removed. Not very funny at the moment, but it sure was afterwards. Now I tend to get into some kind of spring cleaning every second month or so, and what repeatedly returns ( with the desktop waste bin, should we rather say what does not get flushed out? ) well, this is obviously still useful/ unfinished. And I did find out the very long way that we must allow this to happen. Alan > >Dear Al > >please explain me Dissection and discrimination my english is not good >enough seemingly > >in joy and gratitude > > >michael > > > > >>"Al Larus" <erilarend >> <> >>RE: Fwd: Re: Advaita and >>Dvaita. Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:46:59 +0200 >> >> >> >>Dissection is not the same as discrimination : ) >> >> >>Alan >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Dear Al thank you very very much for explaining me this important theme i will do my best to understand it and to use it accordingly and will let you know about the results as soon as i see them........ namaste michael >"Al Larus" <erilarend > ><> >RE: Fwd: Re: Advaita and >Dvaita. >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:50:46 +0200 > > >**** > >Dissection > >cutting so as to separate into pieces, >a minute and critical analysis > >Discrimination > >to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences > >Etymology: Latin discriminatus, from discrimin-, discrimen distinction, >from >discernere to distinguish between > >**** > > >So my personal understanding of discrimination ( as used here ) includes an >instant disappearing of the 'unnecessary' element. > >It is interesting to observe how we cling to that last brick when a house >has been pulled down. >When I learnt this, I had finally arrived at a point where I had a perfect >presentation/ conceptualisation of reality, >( and then it was like any piece of crap in the waste bin : ). > >I must add that I would not have been able part from it without a teacher, >simply asking me why I needed it. >It was like at last being able to see the dentist with no holes and then >getting all your teeth removed. >Not very funny at the moment, but it sure was afterwards. > >Now I tend to get into some kind of spring cleaning every second month or >so, and what repeatedly returns >( with the desktop waste bin, should we rather say what does not get >flushed >out? ) >well, this is obviously still useful/ unfinished. > >And I did find out the very long way that we must allow this to happen. > > >Alan > > > > > >Dear Al > > > >please explain me Dissection and discrimination my english is not good > >enough seemingly > > > >in joy and gratitude > > > > > >michael > > > > > > > > > >>"Al Larus" <erilarend > >> <> > >>RE: Fwd: Re: Advaita >and > >>Dvaita. Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:46:59 +0200 > >> > >> > >> > >>Dissection is not the same as discrimination : ) > >> > >> > >>Alan > >> > _______________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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