Thought and World

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Hello Wim,

 

Who is valuing, like you say, "'thought' more than 'world' or 'world' less then

'thought'?"

 

It only brings out the mutual and reciprocal (<=>) dependence of thought and

world, according to my reading. But I must say that my reading is bias.

 

If I reverse the words in the first sentence, as an example:

 

Apart from _world_, there is no independent entity called _though_.

 

For 'some' maybe it way mean something different then the initial sentence. To

me it means the same.

 

It's not the words we need to change...

 

The _message_ is there behind every object of this world or behind any symbol of

this mind.

 

Antoine

 

 

-

Wim Borsboom

 

 

> Apart from thought, there

> is no independent entity

> called "world".

>

>

> In deep sleep, there are no thoughts

> and there is no world. In waking and

> dreaming, there are thoughts, and there

> is a world.

>

>

> Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web)

> out of itself and then withdraws it, likewise,

> the mind projects the world out of itself and

> then withdraws it back into itself.

>

> Raman Maharshi, Essential Teaching, A Visual Journey

 

All this is so often totally misunderstood.

Thought and world are mutually and reciprocal dependent CONCEPTS in

nondual wholeness...

We can compare these two concepts to the two ways in which we can talk

about light... wave-like or particle-like... it just depends on HOW

one is dealing with light. What IT actually is, is more than those

concepts or whatever concepts we use to 'talk about it'.

Better not to use Ramana's text to value 'thought' more than 'world'

or 'world' less then 'thought'. They are conceptual distinctions. When

one reads Ramana very carefully one sees that very clearly. Problem is

that so many translations and commentaries were done by those who did

not understand from the same clarity what Ramana said in clarity. They

used words and sentences that show more about their in-comprehension

than the clear light that Ramana emanated.

 

Wim