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Dear Antoine,

 

:-)

My comment in no way tried to implicate that you did not understand,

but I'm sure you knew that. (That's why in my 'response' I did not

mention that you sent the quote.)

I actually wanted to show the correlation between thought/world and

wave/particle. I also wanted to indicate that thought/world and

wave/particle are descriptions of relative perceptions influenced by

concepts.

 

Reality is 'realer' than what we tend to describe as reality.

 

I joyfully see you Antoine as someone who's got it!! That's why I said

a few of my posts back that I value you highly.

 

Wim

 

 

, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

> Hello Wim,

>

> Who is valuing, like you say, "'thought' more than 'world' or

'world' less then 'thought'?"

>

> It only brings out the mutual and reciprocal (<=>) dependence of

thought and world, according to my reading. But I must say that my

reading is bias.

>

> If I reverse the words in the first sentence, as an example:

>

> Apart from _world_, there is no independent entity called _though_.

>

> For 'some' maybe it way mean something different then the initial

sentence. To me it means the same.

>

> It's not the words we need to change...

>

> The _message_ is there behind every object of this world or behind

any symbol of this mind.

>

> Antoine

>

>

> -

> Wim Borsboom

>

>

>

> > Apart from thought, there

> > is no independent entity

> > called "world".

> >

> >

> > In deep sleep, there are no thoughts

> > and there is no world. In waking and

> > dreaming, there are thoughts, and there

> > is a world.

> >

> >

> > Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web)

> > out of itself and then withdraws it, likewise,

> > the mind projects the world out of itself and

> > then withdraws it back into itself.

> >

> > Raman Maharshi, Essential Teaching, A Visual Journey

>

> All this is so often totally misunderstood.

> Thought and world are mutually and reciprocal dependent CONCEPTS in

> nondual wholeness...

> We can compare these two concepts to the two ways in which we can talk

> about light... wave-like or particle-like... it just depends on HOW

> one is dealing with light. What IT actually is, is more than those

> concepts or whatever concepts we use to 'talk about it'.

> Better not to use Ramana's text to value 'thought' more than 'world'

> or 'world' less then 'thought'. They are conceptual distinctions. When

> one reads Ramana very carefully one sees that very clearly. Problem is

> that so many translations and commentaries were done by those who did

> not understand from the same clarity what Ramana said in clarity. They

> used words and sentences that show more about their in-comprehension

> than the clear light that Ramana emanated.

>

> Wim

>

>

>

>

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<< Dear Antoine,

 

I joyfully see you Antoine as someone who's got it!! That's why I said

a few of my posts back that I value you highly. >>

 

Dear Wim,

 

And those words, coming from you, are like a benediction.

 

Antoine

 

 

 

 

 

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