RE: HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

[Guest guest]

Dear Michael:

 

 

 

Your message has been received.

 

 

 

Tony, I would ask you not to post political content, although honestly I did

not find anything objectionable in your post.

 

 

 

Nonviolence was advocated by Mahatma Gandhi and is the cardinal principle in

Jainism, the religion of my teacher.

 

 

 

Can others speak up on this? We should not let our predispositions get in

the way of seeing the "new" Tony.

 

 

 

I am spending a lot of time reading Tony's posts much more so than when was not on moderation.

 

 

 

Are posts getting through which seem improper to the list? Please let me

know. Moderating Tony is not easy because Tony writes quite a bit so his

posts are often delayed by one or two days.

 

 

 

As far as I know, nothing that has been approved was generally offensive.

Vicki, your view would be appreciated as well.

 

 

 

In general, Tony, let us try to keep politics out of the posts though. Thank

you.

 

 

 

God bless you all with all good things and all comforts.

 

 

 

Love,

 

Harsha

 

 

 

_____

 

MICHAEL BINDEL [michael_bindel]

Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:39 PM

HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR

ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

 

 

 

OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA

 

 

 

DEAR DEAR HARSHA

 

ITS DEFINETELY NOT FAIR TO USE YOUR GROUP AS A BOARD FOR SPREADING ONESIDED

POLITICAL MESSAGES MIXED WITH SPRITITUAL CONTENT

 

 

IT HAPPENED AGAIN

 

PLEASE SAVE THE LIST FOR THIS UNFAIR BEHAVIOUR

 

IT HURTS EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE THEORETICAL WHY AND WHYS

 

this is the last time i write a letter like this

because it is really not my business any more what others are doing

 

thank you

 

 

in Ramana

 

 

 

michael

in respect

 

michael

>"Tony OClery" <aoclery

> Subject:

> Fwd: Non Violence, Satish Kumar the Jain

>and Gandhis Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:35:28 -0000

>

>

>advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote:

>

>Namaste,

>

>Ahimsa is another complicated subject. It doesn't always mean pacifism.

>However Gandhiji said-'Non violence is the greatest force at the disposal

>of mankind'. Recently the grandson of Gandhi Arun Gandhi told President

>Arafat that if he had adopted a non violent campaign, the problem would

>have been solved decades ago. 'If the Palestinian people rise up and start

>a non violent movement it will boost world sympathy. The nations of the

>world will rise up and put more pressure on Israel.' Arunn is founded the a

>non violent institute at Christian Brothers University in Memphis. TN.

>

>The Jain teacher Satish Kumar says, 'Forty years of environmentalism have

>not brought about a true transformation...we have to come to a more

>holistic and intuitive environmentalism'. Satish started on a peace

>pilgrimage after reading in 1962 about Bertrand Russell being gaoled in the

>UK for his CND movement. ( Strange I was in gaol at the same time for being

>in Russell's movement and demonstrating.) Satish says we should think in

>terms of 'soil, soul, and society'-- a trinity that joins 'nature,

>humanity, and spirituality'. Satish uses the So Ham mantra..or'You are

>therefore I am'. Satish says quoting Gandhiji,' you cannot divide the world

>in two; a spiritual life in one compartment and the everyday world of

>politics and family in another'.............ONS....Tony. --- End forwarded

>message ---

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsha

 

thank you for your undersrANDING YOUR patience and love

 

 

michael

 

 

>"Harsha"

>

><>

>RE: HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR

>ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

>Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:14:21 -0400

>

>Dear Michael:

>

>

>

>Your message has been received.

>

>

>

>Tony, I would ask you not to post political content, although honestly I

>did

>not find anything objectionable in your post.

>

>

>

>Nonviolence was advocated by Mahatma Gandhi and is the cardinal principle

>in

>Jainism, the religion of my teacher.

>

>

>

>Can others speak up on this? We should not let our predispositions get in

>the way of seeing the "new" Tony.

>

>

>

>I am spending a lot of time reading Tony's posts much more so than when

>>was not on moderation.

>

>

>

>Are posts getting through which seem improper to the list? Please let me

>know. Moderating Tony is not easy because Tony writes quite a bit so his

>posts are often delayed by one or two days.

>

>

>

>As far as I know, nothing that has been approved was generally offensive.

>Vicki, your view would be appreciated as well.

>

>

>

>In general, Tony, let us try to keep politics out of the posts though.

>Thank

>you.

>

>

>

>God bless you all with all good things and all comforts.

>

>

>

>Love,

>

>Harsha

>

>

>

> _____

>

>MICHAEL BINDEL [michael_bindel]

>Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:39 PM

>

> HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR

>ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

>

>

>

>OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA

>

>

>

>DEAR DEAR HARSHA

>

>ITS DEFINETELY NOT FAIR TO USE YOUR GROUP AS A BOARD FOR SPREADING ONESIDED

>POLITICAL MESSAGES MIXED WITH SPRITITUAL CONTENT

>

>

>IT HAPPENED AGAIN

>

>PLEASE SAVE THE LIST FOR THIS UNFAIR BEHAVIOUR

>

>IT HURTS EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE THEORETICAL WHY AND WHYS

>

>this is the last time i write a letter like this

>because it is really not my business any more what others are doing

>

>thank you

>

>

>in Ramana

>

>

>

>michael

>in respect

>

>michael

>

> >"Tony OClery" <aoclery

> >

>Subject:

> > Fwd: Non Violence, Satish Kumar the Jain

> >and Gandhis Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:35:28 -0000

> >

> >

> >advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote:

> >

> >Namaste,

> >

> >Ahimsa is another complicated subject. It doesn't always mean pacifism.

> >However Gandhiji said-'Non violence is the greatest force at the disposal

> >of mankind'. Recently the grandson of Gandhi Arun Gandhi told President

> >Arafat that if he had adopted a non violent campaign, the problem would

> >have been solved decades ago. 'If the Palestinian people rise up and

>start

> >a non violent movement it will boost world sympathy. The nations of the

> >world will rise up and put more pressure on Israel.' Arunn is founded the

>a

>

> >non violent institute at Christian Brothers University in Memphis. TN.

> >

> >The Jain teacher Satish Kumar says, 'Forty years of environmentalism have

> >not brought about a true transformation...we have to come to a more

> >holistic and intuitive environmentalism'. Satish started on a peace

> >pilgrimage after reading in 1962 about Bertrand Russell being gaoled in

>the

>

> >UK for his CND movement. ( Strange I was in gaol at the same time for

>being

>

> >in Russell's movement and demonstrating.) Satish says we should think in

> >terms of 'soil, soul, and society'-- a trinity that joins 'nature,

> >humanity, and spirituality'. Satish uses the So Ham mantra..or'You are

> >therefore I am'. Satish says quoting Gandhiji,' you cannot divide the

>world

>

> >in two; a spiritual life in one compartment and the everyday world of

> >politics and family in another'.............ONS....Tony. --- End

>forwarded

> >message ---

>

>

>

>

>

 

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OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA

 

 

i bow to our SATGURU

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Viorica and all who are interested

 

 

A

 

thank you for sending the mail regarding Don Quichote

 

It is exactly the same what i discovered alone and accepted as the only

solution for myself.

 

Like so many TIMES in our virtual relation you send the right words at the

right moment

 

This is Grace for me

 

 

B

 

thank you than you joined ongoing discussions in our Sangha

 

 

C

 

i admire the way you wrote to

accepting his work as positive where it is positive and letting him know

where he is contraproductive regarding the israel-palestine conflict

 

i try to follow this example

 

 

D

 

regarding HARSHA

 

why do you state "would not cooperate"

 

i think i cooperate by

 

accepting tony and his view as his

accepting that i cannot change anything anymore

putting myself on moderation on free will regarding answering to viewpoints

i regard as inhuman

 

 

regarding oversensibilities in general

 

you yourself know out of personal experiences how easy it is to become

oversensitive

and transmitting your signals of being hurt are understandable and

acceptable for me no harm done

 

but sorry to state or otherwise said everybody who is not oversensibilized

nowadays shouldcould be grateful

the body i carry on the genes body is made of is impregnated by all

terrible circumstances human mind can imagine having being done to this body

or by this body in socalled other incarnations

it is a precious instrument for sigalling ALARM A RED LIGHT in the world we

share

after the WWII this planet has been three times near destruction - a secret

well kept and only discovered short time ago - at all this time the alarm

system went on in this body

and now it is the fourth time its on

 

but i do not care what will be

i care to live what i know inwardly that GD is - what i knew always - and

that GD is self - what i discovered recently i knew too always - these are

michaels facts of live

 

whoever knows me personally knows who i am really

 

all the poison i feel is the poison i absorbed resisting "facts of world"

and this poison destroys love and life and due to GRACE thru rare people

like you Viorica my wife sylvia our son gavriel gabriele wim and all others

i discovered this and finish the past

 

let there be peace in ourselves

 

 

PEACE

PAX

PACE

PAIX

FRIEDE

SHALOM

SALAAM

 

 

thank you

 

 

 

in Ramana

 

 

 

michael

 

 

>"viorica weissman" <viorica

>

>

>Re: HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR

>ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:44:13 -0000

>

>

>Hi Michael,

>

>I am afraid Harsha is really doing his best to understand and accept

>both yours and Tony's overreactions regarding the Israeli-Palestinian

>conflict, but you wouldn't cooperate either.

>

>What's funny about it is that none of you two live in Israel or in

>the area.

>

>

>

>

>, "MICHAEL BINDEL"

><michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Harsha

> >

> > thank you for your undersrANDING YOUR patience and love

> >

> >

> > michael

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

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God bless you all with all good things and all comforts.

 

 

devi: thank you and the same is wished for you from this end...i

have a particular fondess for tony and feel badly he is even on

moderation..but i see your position.

 

i think to be offended is just a bad a trait as to offend...

 

 

 

sincerely

chitra

 

>

>

>

> _____

>

> MICHAEL BINDEL [michael_bindel@h...]

> Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:39 PM

>

> HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO

YOUR

> ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

>

>

>

> OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA

>

>

>

> DEAR DEAR HARSHA

>

> ITS DEFINETELY NOT FAIR TO USE YOUR GROUP AS A BOARD FOR SPREADING

ONESIDED

> POLITICAL MESSAGES MIXED WITH SPRITITUAL CONTENT

>

>

> IT HAPPENED AGAIN

>

> PLEASE SAVE THE LIST FOR THIS UNFAIR BEHAVIOUR

>

> IT HURTS EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE THEORETICAL WHY AND WHYS

>

> this is the last time i write a letter like this

> because it is really not my business any more what others are doing

>

> thank you

>

>

> in Ramana

>

>

>

> michael

> in respect

>

> michael

>

> >"Tony OClery" <aoclery>

> >

Subject:

> > Fwd: Non Violence, Satish Kumar

the Jain

> >and Gandhis Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:35:28 -0000

> >

> >

> >advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> >

> >Namaste,

> >

> >Ahimsa is another complicated subject. It doesn't always mean

pacifism.

> >However Gandhiji said-'Non violence is the greatest force at the

disposal

> >of mankind'. Recently the grandson of Gandhi Arun Gandhi told

President

> >Arafat that if he had adopted a non violent campaign, the problem

would

> >have been solved decades ago. 'If the Palestinian people rise up

and start

> >a non violent movement it will boost world sympathy. The nations

of the

> >world will rise up and put more pressure on Israel.' Arunn is

founded the a

>

> >non violent institute at Christian Brothers University in

Memphis. TN.

> >

> >The Jain teacher Satish Kumar says, 'Forty years of

environmentalism have

> >not brought about a true transformation...we have to come to a

more

> >holistic and intuitive environmentalism'. Satish started on a

peace

> >pilgrimage after reading in 1962 about Bertrand Russell being

gaoled in the

>

> >UK for his CND movement. ( Strange I was in gaol at the same time

for being

>

> >in Russell's movement and demonstrating.) Satish says we should

think in

> >terms of 'soil, soul, and society'-- a trinity that

joins 'nature,

> >humanity, and spirituality'. Satish uses the So Ham

mantra..or'You are

> >therefore I am'. Satish says quoting Gandhiji,' you cannot divide

the world

>

> >in two; a spiritual life in one compartment and the everyday

world of

> >politics and family in another'.............ONS....Tony. --- End

forwarded

> >message ---

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Harsha, Michael, Tony and all,

 

I really enjoyed that post of Tony's. Tony touched on the important

point in the Mahatma's teaching that non-violence does not mean passive

behavior, but is an active force. This is key to understanding ahimsa

in national as well as individual behavior. Michael, you may enjoy

some of Gandhiji's writings about his relation to the political sphere.

He understood all his action to spring from spiritual goals and did

not think of himself as a politician. The Essential Writings of

Mahatma Gandhi, by Rhagavan Iyer, is a good compilation.

 

I also liked Tony's quote of Satish, suggesting we think in terms of

'soil, soul, and society'. I kept thinking of this trinity while was

out running in the woods this morning. Michael, perhaps you will tell

us what you found offensive or political in Tony's post. For me it was

a reminder that when we are guided by spiritual principles many of our

political struggles fall away.

 

Jill

 

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On Oct 30, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Harsha wrote:

> Dear Michael:

>

>

>

> Your message has been received.

>

>

>

> Tony, I would ask you not to post political content, although

> honestly I did

> not find anything objectionable in your post.

>

>

>

> Nonviolence was advocated by Mahatma Gandhi and is the cardinal

> principle in

> Jainism, the religion of my teacher.

>

>

>

> Can others speak up on this? We should not let our predispositions

> get in

> the way of seeing the "new" Tony.

>

>

>

> I am spending a lot of time reading Tony's posts much more so than

> when > was not on moderation.

>

>

>

> Are posts getting through which seem improper to the list? Please let

> me

> know. Moderating Tony is not easy because Tony writes quite a bit so

> his

> posts are often delayed by one or two days.

>

>

>

> As far as I know, nothing that has been approved was generally

> offensive.

> Vicki, your view would be appreciated as well.

>

>

>

> In general, Tony, let us try to keep politics out of the posts

> though. Thank

> you.

>

>

>

> God bless you all with all good things and all comforts.

>

>

>

> Love,

>

> Harsha

>

>

>

>   _____ 

>

> MICHAEL BINDEL [michael_bindel]

> Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:39 PM

>

> HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR

> ATTENTION PLEASE S O S

>

>

>

> OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA

>

>

>

> DEAR DEAR HARSHA

>

> ITS DEFINETELY NOT FAIR TO USE YOUR GROUP AS A BOARD FOR SPREADING

> ONESIDED

> POLITICAL MESSAGES MIXED WITH SPRITITUAL CONTENT

>

>

> IT HAPPENED AGAIN

>

> PLEASE SAVE THE LIST FOR THIS UNFAIR BEHAVIOUR

>

> IT HURTS EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE THEORETICAL WHY AND WHYS

>

> this is the last time i write a letter like this

> because it is really not my business any more what others are doing

>

> thank you

>

>

> in Ramana

>

>

>

> michael

> in respect

>

> michael

>

> >"Tony OClery" <aoclery

> >

> Subject:

> > Fwd:  Non Violence, Satish Kumar the

> Jain

> >and Gandhis Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:35:28 -0000

> >

> >

> >advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

> wrote:

> >

> >Namaste,

> >

> >Ahimsa is another complicated subject. It doesn't always mean

> pacifism.

> >However Gandhiji said-'Non violence is the greatest force at the

> disposal

> >of mankind'. Recently the grandson of Gandhi Arun Gandhi told

> President

> >Arafat that if he had adopted a non violent campaign, the problem

> would

> >have been solved decades ago. 'If the Palestinian people rise up and

> start

> >a non violent movement it will boost world sympathy. The nations of

> the

> >world will rise up and put more pressure on Israel.' Arunn is

> founded the a

>

> >non violent institute at Christian Brothers University in Memphis.

> TN.

> >

> >The Jain teacher Satish Kumar says, 'Forty years of environmentalism

> have

> >not brought about a true transformation...we have to come to a more

> >holistic and intuitive environmentalism'. Satish started on a peace

> >pilgrimage after reading in 1962 about Bertrand Russell being gaoled

> in the

>

> >UK for his CND movement. ( Strange I was in gaol at the same time

> for being

>

> >in Russell's movement and demonstrating.) Satish says  we should

> think in

> >terms of 'soil, soul, and society'-- a trinity that joins 'nature,

> >humanity, and spirituality'. Satish uses the So Ham mantra..or'You

> are

> >therefore I am'. Satish says quoting Gandhiji,' you cannot divide

> the world

>

> >in two; a spiritual life in one compartment and the everyday world of

> >politics and family in another'.............ONS....Tony. --- End

> forwarded

> >message ---

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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