Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Dear Jill than k you for your mail, i feel your honesty even never having met you. Let me tell you a "stupid" fact - but fact nevertheless it is, because ezxperienced by myself, A "real jew" smells a "real Nazi" immedeately and vice versa. That means due to an inborn survival instinct some "jewsnazis" have this sensible instrument to recognize each other. Nonviolence as Gandhi lived it might be wonderful, but as you see in India and everywhere it just does not work.... And this i knew when reading Gandhi. But what "disilussioned" me the most with this being was that he had the chance to meet Ramana, being so near to him, and skipped it. That was his decision and i regret it for all of us. To the terrible conflict in Israel and all terrible things ongoing all over this beatuful world and what is coming soon i have only one practical solution left. That was Viorica wrote us today. Stopping being like Don Quichote, being centred in one SELF and letting our persona do what SELF obliges it. And let "the world care for itself" let SELF care foir our persona. Better i cannot express what i feel. On a very personal small lever of course you are hurt when old wounds are touched. Wonderful spiritual words cannot cover "posion" and poison dear unknow friend it is when people (Tony) deny the right of Jews to have their own homeland. Everyone needs a material home beinga accepted as a human being with the right to exist and this right is being denied more and more to many people and that is terrible in Ramana michael >Jill Eggers <eggersj > > >Re: HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR >ATTENTION PLEASE S O S >Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:17:26 -0500 > > > Hello Harsha, Michael, Tony and all, > >I really enjoyed that post of Tony's. Tony touched on the important >point in the Mahatma's teaching that non-violence does not mean passive >behavior, but is an active force. This is key to understanding ahimsa >in national as well as individual behavior. Michael, you may enjoy >some of Gandhiji's writings about his relation to the political sphere. > He understood all his action to spring from spiritual goals and did >not think of himself as a politician. The Essential Writings of >Mahatma Gandhi, by Rhagavan Iyer, is a good compilation. > >I also liked Tony's quote of Satish, suggesting we think in terms of >'soil, soul, and society'. I kept thinking of this trinity while was >out running in the woods this morning. Michael, perhaps you will tell >us what you found offensive or political in Tony's post. For me it was >a reminder that when we are guided by spiritual principles many of our >political struggles fall away. > >Jill > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's >FREE! >http://messenger.msn.com/ > > > >On Oct 30, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Harsha wrote: > > > Dear Michael: > > > > > > > > Your message has been received. > > > > > > > > Tony, I would ask you not to post political content, although > > honestly I did > > not find anything objectionable in your post. > > > > > > > > Nonviolence was advocated by Mahatma Gandhi and is the cardinal > > principle in > > Jainism, the religion of my teacher. > > > > > > > > Can others speak up on this? We should not let our predispositions > > get in > > the way of seeing the "new" Tony. > > > > > > > > I am spending a lot of time reading Tony's posts much more so than > > when > > was not on moderation. > > > > > > > > Are posts getting through which seem improper to the list? Please let > > me > > know. Moderating Tony is not easy because Tony writes quite a bit so > > his > > posts are often delayed by one or two days. > > > > > > > > As far as I know, nothing that has been approved was generally > > offensive. > > Vicki, your view would be appreciated as well. > > > > > > > > In general, Tony, let us try to keep politics out of the posts > > though. Thank > > you. > > > > > > > > God bless you all with all good things and all comforts. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > MICHAEL BINDEL [michael_bindel] > > Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:39 PM > > > > HARSHA HARSHA HARSHA TO YOUR > > ATTENTION PLEASE S O S > > > > > > > > OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA > > > > > > > > DEAR DEAR HARSHA > > > > ITS DEFINETELY NOT FAIR TO USE YOUR GROUP AS A BOARD FOR SPREADING > > ONESIDED > > POLITICAL MESSAGES MIXED WITH SPRITITUAL CONTENT > > > > > > IT HAPPENED AGAIN > > > > PLEASE SAVE THE LIST FOR THIS UNFAIR BEHAVIOUR > > > > IT HURTS EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE THEORETICAL WHY AND WHYS > > > > this is the last time i write a letter like this > > because it is really not my business any more what others are doing > > > > thank you > > > > > > in Ramana > > > > > > > > michael > > in respect > > > > michael > > > > >"Tony OClery" <aoclery > > > > > Subject: > > > Fwd: Non Violence, Satish Kumar the > > Jain > > >and Gandhis Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:35:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > >advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > > >Namaste, > > > > > >Ahimsa is another complicated subject. It doesn't always mean > > pacifism. > > >However Gandhiji said-'Non violence is the greatest force at the > > disposal > > >of mankind'. Recently the grandson of Gandhi Arun Gandhi told > > President > > >Arafat that if he had adopted a non violent campaign, the problem > > would > > >have been solved decades ago. 'If the Palestinian people rise up and > > start > > >a non violent movement it will boost world sympathy. The nations of > > the > > >world will rise up and put more pressure on Israel.' Arunn is > > founded the a > > > > >non violent institute at Christian Brothers University in Memphis. > > TN. > > > > > >The Jain teacher Satish Kumar says, 'Forty years of environmentalism > > have > > >not brought about a true transformation...we have to come to a more > > >holistic and intuitive environmentalism'. Satish started on a peace > > >pilgrimage after reading in 1962 about Bertrand Russell being gaoled > > in the > > > > >UK for his CND movement. ( Strange I was in gaol at the same time > > for being > > > > >in Russell's movement and demonstrating.) Satish says we should > > think in > > >terms of 'soil, soul, and society'-- a trinity that joins 'nature, > > >humanity, and spirituality'. Satish uses the So Ham mantra..or'You > > are > > >therefore I am'. Satish says quoting Gandhiji,' you cannot divide > > the world > > > > >in two; a spiritual life in one compartment and the everyday world of > > >politics and family in another'.............ONS....Tony. --- End > > forwarded > > >message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <f2_free2_300x250_def_0904.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Links > > > > • > > / > > > > • > > > > > > • Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > > _______________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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