RE: Let's solve it now.

[Guest guest]

Dear Vicki, Tony, Michael, Yosy, and all concerned.

 

 

 

I would ask you to discuss these issues on private e-mails or e-mails with

Tony. If you can reach an understanding, good. If not, then people can agree

to disagree.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't have solutions to the many complex problems of humanity

and I suspect neither do the other list members.

 

 

 

I am as mixed up as you about this crazy world and pray that all will be in

peace at some point.

 

 

 

I respect you all but ask you to respect the list charter.

 

 

 

I do perfectly understand that we live in an imperfect world full of human

suffering. I don't know what to do about it.

 

 

 

I ask you to pray to God and have the light and energy take over your heart.

 

 

 

Love thy neighbor as yourself as saying goes. At least we have to give it a

chance.

 

 

 

Again, I totally respect you all and understand your feelings and where you

are coming from.

 

 

 

I just don't know how this forum is the right place for all this.

 

 

 

Any more on this and I will start putting more people, even those that I

deeply love and cherish, on moderation.

 

 

 

Thank you and God bless you and hope you are not mad at me.

 

 

 

Love to all

 

Harsha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

viorica weissman [viorica]

Monday, November 01, 2004 2:12 PM

H_S

Let's solve it now.

 

 

 

A number of private mails today made me change my mind and write still

another letter to you, Tony.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, "viorica weissman"

<viorica@z...> wrote:

>

> dear Harsha,

>

> I shall not put you in the situation to moderate me as I shall

leave

> the list after writing this letter.

>

> I can understand your position, but in the same time I hope you can

> understand mine.

>

> For me and surely for other members too, the principle named 'good

> company' has been severely damaged as some members find themselves

> almost daily confronted with one of the fortunately rare cases of

> periodical but continual racial harassment directed against Jews

and

> Israelis. In face of such racial anger towards another people, all

> other postings about vegetarianism, non-violence, peace, social

> justice etc have no value.

>

> It is not known to me that Ramana Maharshi's devotees had to face

> during his lifetime, almost daily, racial anger from one another,

nor

> they have to face it now.

 

yes, one rotten apple can spoil the barrel. dear harsha, seems

viorica has a point. were it not for your delightful presence, i

would have left the list too (though hope you'll stay awhile longer,

viorica). frankly though, having my mail box contaminated lately

again by aocleary posts (though automaticly deleted) i am considering

it again.

 

"one compassionate towards the cruel ends up being cruel to the

compassionate"

 

with sincere respect,

yosy

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Have you ever done something or said something that you yourself in

the privacy of your own mind - with nobody around to have to account

to, nobody around to have to defend your actions to - that you knew

yourself to be in error.

 

That happens right?!

Nobody is totally in denial and ignorant I would hope.

Well, you might know your own flaws but nevertheless, as long as the

"right" kind of audience is around who you think you can still fool,

you will still try to prove that whatever you have been doing, that

you did not do it, or whatever you were lying about, that it WAS true

or that whatever you actually knew was malicious that you still do it

to pain someone.

 

It seems that as long as one is convinced that one can pull the wool

over someone's eyes one will do it, OR... as long one can get a rise

out off hurting someone with certain statements, one will persist

making them... even when one is well aware that one's doings and

statements are erroneous.

 

Two things related to that but now from the receiving end:

1. When we feel hurt by statements that are meant to be hurting, they

will keep coming as the other party keeps getting a rise out of it.

There is no successful defense against being hurt except for

overcoming one's own vulnerability. Pulling oneself away from a

situation of hurt or excluding the hurting party from one's company

are by themselves not successful (as the hurt will just reappear again

and very often in some other format) but such temporary exclusion CAN

help in the endeavor to overcome one's vulnerability.

One cannot overcome one's vulnerability by wearing more armour, only

understanding and insight AND enough unsuccessful attempts to try it

otherwise (!!!) will eventually rebuild one's authentic self.

As long as we think that the hurt will stop by replying in kind or

some other defensive/offensive maneuver, the hurt will escalate in the

sense that one gets drawn even more into the arena where the "hurter"

is at his or her best while one is also being forced to use the very

weapons that the hurter wants you to use. The hurt-infliction game

will thus continue as one is still game (prey).

2. When one is in the process of overcoming one's vulnerability, and

while one's compassion increases (compassion always rises in tandem

with self empowerment and the increase of self-esteem) one can start

addressing the conscience of the inflicting party that is still intent

on hurting, by helping them understand the dynamics of their own game

which is now unsuccessful as one is not game to it (prey) anymore. Of

course that party may find other gaming grounds... they will pop up in

other forums attempting the same tactics but ALSO they will find

people there similar to the ones they just tried to escape.

There are two possible outcomes to this, that the "hurting" party will

eat their "false pride" and concede somehow without losing their

original authentic self-esteem or that they totally isolate themselves

on their own account. At that point one just has to leave them,

compassion tells us that one can not 'prematurely' liberate anyone and

compassion also makes you understand why that is...

 

Wim

 

PS

Dear Yosy,

> "one compassionate towards the cruel

> ends up being cruel to the compassionate"

 

I understand your quote well, but hopefully what I wrote is about an

effective middle way...

> with sincere respect,

> yosy

 

Absolutely Josy, you are a wonderful man.