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"saktidasa" <saktidasa

2004/11/16 Tue PM 04:39:37 CST

The Ajatavada

 

 

 

The Ajatavada :

 

Ajatavada means the the creation which we see has never been created

at all. It is an illusion and is not really there. They say that

even the effort to find out how this creation has come about is a

compromise - it reveals ignorance of the truth. The above two vadas

start with a presumption of taking the world to be really there,

which itself may be baseless. To start any process of understanding

with a possibly wrong & baseless presumption is obviously not the

right way of enquiry. Strangely enough if we start this enquiry

whether the creation is really there or not then we get astounding

results : it is seen that it does not have any independent existence

at all. This is what the drishti-shrishti-vadins too subsequently

prove. If this is a fact then why waste time to prove creation of

something which is not really there. To temporarily accept a

falsehood is not compassion but a compromise and wrong, and has all

the consequences of other falsehood. Truth should be declared as

truthfully as possible - in its raw form. The entire effort of the

Ajata-vadins is the communicate how the creation has never come

about and therefore is just an illusion. It is only after the

realisation of the complete ephemerality & illusoriness of the

creation that even the thoughts of it are naturally effaced and when

the creation stands totally negated in this way then alone the ever-

existent & self-effulgent reality becomes evident & revealed. So

Ajatavada which has been revealed by the Mandukya Upanishad and

explained in texts like Yoga Vasishta is the ideal way of looking at

the world which is conducive & compatible to awakening to the

transcendental truth. The Ajatavada is not basically designed even

for the knowledge of Self, it is a fact by itself, and the knowledge

of Self follows the right knowledge of that which obstructs our

complete attention of the truth, namely the right knowledge of truth

of the creation.

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Who the heck cares dear one.

 

Love and blessings

 

Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic,

and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings!

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<< $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

Who the heck cares dear one.

 

Love and blessings

 

Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic,

and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings. >>

 

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You do.

:):-);):));-):)@@@@@@@@

 

 

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Antoine Carré <antoine.carre

2004/11/16 Tue PM 06:26:56 CST

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Re: The Ajatavada

 

 

<< $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

Who the heck cares dear one.

 

Love and blessings

 

Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic,

and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings. >>

 

***********************

You do.

:):-);):));-):)@@@@@@@@

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Dear One:

 

You are perceptive.

 

Yes, the Maharishi does care... but not about Ajatavada.

 

Love and blessings

 

Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic,

and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings!

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, MaharishiBingoRam

<bingoram@c...> wrote:

> ============================================================

> Antoine Carré <antoine.carre@s...>

> 2004/11/16 Tue PM 06:26:56 CST

> <>

> Re: The Ajatavada

>

>

> << $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>

> Who the heck cares dear one.

>

> Love and blessings

>

> Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired,

pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings. >>

>

> ***********************

> You do.

> :):-);):));-):)@@@@@@@@

>

> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

> Dear One:

>

> You are perceptive.

>

> Yes, the Maharishi does care... but not about Ajatavada.

>

 

 

:) who/whatdo you care about? who is most care deserving?

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The term Ajatavada refers to the Self. In the Self, where everything is lost

and resolved and the Self only remains as the Sole and the Whole Reality as

Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum ---That is Ajatavada.

 

 

 

Self does not say Ajatavada (Being It Self the Form of Silence of

Ajatavada).

 

 

 

However, any discussion of Ajatavada in relativity is based on the

presumption of duality and therefore is contradictory

 

 

 

It's meaning lies only as a pointer to the nature of the Self. Ajatavada in

a philosophical discussion is only a concept like anything else and has no

higher or lower meaning than any other concept. I believe this is what

Maharishi Bingo Ram was trying to convey to us when he said he does not care

for Ajatavada.

 

 

 

I will pass this on to the Advaitin, where a similar discussion took place.

 

 

 

Love to all

 

Harsha

 

 

 

 

 

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saktidasa [saktidasa]

Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:40 PM

The Ajatavada

 

 

 

 

The Ajatavada :

 

Ajatavada means the the creation which we see has never been created

at all. It is an illusion and is not really there.

 

 

 

 

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, "Harsha" wrote:

> The term Ajatavada refers to the Self. In the Self, where

everything is lost

> and resolved and the Self only remains as the Sole and the Whole

Reality as

> Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum ---That is Ajatavada.

>

>

>

> Self does not say Ajatavada (Being It Self the Form of Silence of

> Ajatavada).

>

>

>

> However, any discussion of Ajatavada in relativity is based on the

> presumption of duality and therefore is contradictory

>

>

>

> It's meaning lies only as a pointer to the nature of the Self.

Ajatavada in

> a philosophical discussion is only a concept like anything else

and has no

> higher or lower meaning than any other concept. I believe this is

what

> Maharishi Bingo Ram was trying to convey to us when he said he

does not care

> for Ajatavada.

>

>

>

> I will pass this on to the Advaitin, where a similar discussion

took place.

>

>

>

> Love to all

>

> Harsha

 

Namaste,IMO

 

However the concept and all 'creation, Saguna and pre existence

disappear when the mukta drops the body mind. Even the appearance is

gone.........So it never happened at all.........Ajatavada is the

ultimate truth not sat-cit-ananda which Ramana says are qualities

anyway........S

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, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

>

> , "Harsha"

wrote:

> > The term Ajatavada refers to the Self. In the Self, where

> everything is lost

> > and resolved and the Self only remains as the Sole and the Whole

> Reality as

> > Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum ---That is Ajatavada.

> >

> >

> >

> > Self does not say Ajatavada (Being It Self the Form of Silence of

> > Ajatavada).

> >

> >

> >

> > However, any discussion of Ajatavada in relativity is based on

the

> > presumption of duality and therefore is contradictory

> >

> >

> >

> > It's meaning lies only as a pointer to the nature of the Self.

> Ajatavada in

> > a philosophical discussion is only a concept like anything else

> and has no

> > higher or lower meaning than any other concept. I believe this

is

> what

> > Maharishi Bingo Ram was trying to convey to us when he said he

> does not care

> > for Ajatavada.

> >

> >

> >

> > I will pass this on to the Advaitin, where a similar discussion

> took place.

> >

> >

> >

> > Love to all

> >

> > Harsha

>

> Namaste,IMO

>

> However the concept and all 'creation, Saguna and pre existence

> disappear when the mukta drops the body mind. Even the appearance

is

> gone.........So it never happened at all.........Ajatavada is the

> ultimate truth not sat-cit-ananda which Ramana says are qualities

> anyway........S

 

Namaste,

 

As an addition to the post. The reason we don't realise Nirguna is

because our Antha karana or Buddhi/Vijnanamayakosa has not been

purified.

On purification it is non other than than the Sakti. This is why

even knowing what a king is doesn't make one a king. Sadhana of

purification like ashtanga yoga, or something similar,for example is

necessary...........This is where I am at myself...Having to purify

the Buddhi..........S

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