Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 ============================================================ "saktidasa" <saktidasa 2004/11/16 Tue PM 04:39:37 CST The Ajatavada The Ajatavada : Ajatavada means the the creation which we see has never been created at all. It is an illusion and is not really there. They say that even the effort to find out how this creation has come about is a compromise - it reveals ignorance of the truth. The above two vadas start with a presumption of taking the world to be really there, which itself may be baseless. To start any process of understanding with a possibly wrong & baseless presumption is obviously not the right way of enquiry. Strangely enough if we start this enquiry whether the creation is really there or not then we get astounding results : it is seen that it does not have any independent existence at all. This is what the drishti-shrishti-vadins too subsequently prove. If this is a fact then why waste time to prove creation of something which is not really there. To temporarily accept a falsehood is not compassion but a compromise and wrong, and has all the consequences of other falsehood. Truth should be declared as truthfully as possible - in its raw form. The entire effort of the Ajata-vadins is the communicate how the creation has never come about and therefore is just an illusion. It is only after the realisation of the complete ephemerality & illusoriness of the creation that even the thoughts of it are naturally effaced and when the creation stands totally negated in this way then alone the ever- existent & self-effulgent reality becomes evident & revealed. So Ajatavada which has been revealed by the Mandukya Upanishad and explained in texts like Yoga Vasishta is the ideal way of looking at the world which is conducive & compatible to awakening to the transcendental truth. The Ajatavada is not basically designed even for the knowledge of Self, it is a fact by itself, and the knowledge of Self follows the right knowledge of that which obstructs our complete attention of the truth, namely the right knowledge of truth of the creation. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Who the heck cares dear one. Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 << $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Who the heck cares dear one. Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings. >> *********************** You do. :-));-)@@@@@@@@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 ============================================================ Antoine Carré <antoine.carre 2004/11/16 Tue PM 06:26:56 CST <> Re: The Ajatavada << $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Who the heck cares dear one. Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings. >> *********************** You do. :-));-)@@@@@@@@ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Dear One: You are perceptive. Yes, the Maharishi does care... but not about Ajatavada. Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 , MaharishiBingoRam <bingoram@c...> wrote: > ============================================================ > Antoine Carré <antoine.carre@s...> > 2004/11/16 Tue PM 06:26:56 CST > <> > Re: The Ajatavada > > > << $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > Who the heck cares dear one. > > Love and blessings > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings. >> > > *********************** > You do. > :-));-)@@@@@@@@ > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > Dear One: > > You are perceptive. > > Yes, the Maharishi does care... but not about Ajatavada. > who/whatdo you care about? who is most care deserving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 The term Ajatavada refers to the Self. In the Self, where everything is lost and resolved and the Self only remains as the Sole and the Whole Reality as Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum ---That is Ajatavada. Self does not say Ajatavada (Being It Self the Form of Silence of Ajatavada). However, any discussion of Ajatavada in relativity is based on the presumption of duality and therefore is contradictory It's meaning lies only as a pointer to the nature of the Self. Ajatavada in a philosophical discussion is only a concept like anything else and has no higher or lower meaning than any other concept. I believe this is what Maharishi Bingo Ram was trying to convey to us when he said he does not care for Ajatavada. I will pass this on to the Advaitin, where a similar discussion took place. Love to all Harsha _____ saktidasa [saktidasa] Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:40 PM The Ajatavada The Ajatavada : Ajatavada means the the creation which we see has never been created at all. It is an illusion and is not really there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 , "Harsha" wrote: > The term Ajatavada refers to the Self. In the Self, where everything is lost > and resolved and the Self only remains as the Sole and the Whole Reality as > Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum ---That is Ajatavada. > > > > Self does not say Ajatavada (Being It Self the Form of Silence of > Ajatavada). > > > > However, any discussion of Ajatavada in relativity is based on the > presumption of duality and therefore is contradictory > > > > It's meaning lies only as a pointer to the nature of the Self. Ajatavada in > a philosophical discussion is only a concept like anything else and has no > higher or lower meaning than any other concept. I believe this is what > Maharishi Bingo Ram was trying to convey to us when he said he does not care > for Ajatavada. > > > > I will pass this on to the Advaitin, where a similar discussion took place. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha Namaste,IMO However the concept and all 'creation, Saguna and pre existence disappear when the mukta drops the body mind. Even the appearance is gone.........So it never happened at all.........Ajatavada is the ultimate truth not sat-cit-ananda which Ramana says are qualities anyway........S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > , "Harsha" wrote: > > The term Ajatavada refers to the Self. In the Self, where > everything is lost > > and resolved and the Self only remains as the Sole and the Whole > Reality as > > Sat-Chit-Ananda-Nityam-Poornum ---That is Ajatavada. > > > > > > > > Self does not say Ajatavada (Being It Self the Form of Silence of > > Ajatavada). > > > > > > > > However, any discussion of Ajatavada in relativity is based on the > > presumption of duality and therefore is contradictory > > > > > > > > It's meaning lies only as a pointer to the nature of the Self. > Ajatavada in > > a philosophical discussion is only a concept like anything else > and has no > > higher or lower meaning than any other concept. I believe this is > what > > Maharishi Bingo Ram was trying to convey to us when he said he > does not care > > for Ajatavada. > > > > > > > > I will pass this on to the Advaitin, where a similar discussion > took place. > > > > > > > > Love to all > > > > Harsha > > Namaste,IMO > > However the concept and all 'creation, Saguna and pre existence > disappear when the mukta drops the body mind. Even the appearance is > gone.........So it never happened at all.........Ajatavada is the > ultimate truth not sat-cit-ananda which Ramana says are qualities > anyway........S Namaste, As an addition to the post. The reason we don't realise Nirguna is because our Antha karana or Buddhi/Vijnanamayakosa has not been purified. On purification it is non other than than the Sakti. This is why even knowing what a king is doesn't make one a king. Sadhana of purification like ashtanga yoga, or something similar,for example is necessary...........This is where I am at myself...Having to purify the Buddhi..........S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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