Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 This line of thoughts seem familiar : ) Namaste,If there were a real appearance of creation then it would notdisappear in deep sleep. It would not disappear on the dropping ofthe body of a Mukta.There is no rope in the first place, there is only Nirguna. This isnot nihilist for Nirguna Brahman is accepted.We can accept the so called appearance to make progress, but manycannot face the idea that the appearance isn't even there and neverhappened. This is a fear, and is not really true non dualism. It isa clinging to Saguna as the reality not admitting Nirguna, it is notAjata. It is a clinging to culture, religion, beliefs and ideas,that make up the 'individual person'. It is a taking of theteachings of the Sages and finding a level that one is comfortablewith and can fit them together, preserving one's individuality.There is no time ultimately, even science admits to this relativephenonema. It has been even scientifically proven, that time can bedifferent to different people in different circumstances. So ifthere is no time, what can unfold? So it can only be an illusionthat rises with our perception whilst we are in it. However as itdisappears in deep sleep and Moksha/Dropping of the body andconnection with Sakti, then it obviously never ever happened.For either we are 'God' or we are not. As there is only One, thenthere cannot even be illusion or delusion. There never was a rope tohave illusions about.....there is only Nirguna..........S/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Dear Saktdasa thank you for your message for "me" its t h e truth "i" came around this truth due to Grace and afterwards "met" Ramana and his eternal wisdom to know this internally is wonderful to live it in daily life is the lesson "i" have to go thru without compromise "just" in complete surrender a n d in SILENCE which michael did break wanting to thank you..... in Ramana michael >"saktidasa" <saktidasa > > > > Re: Guru Vachaka Kovai - Getting Rid of Miseries >Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:15:27 -0000 > > >, "viorica weissman" ><viorica@z...> wrote: > > Guru Vachaka Kovai > >> 368 Not even the least of one's miseries will cease unless one >knows That, by forgetting Which one becomes deluded by the mighty >agent - worldly Maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > 369 Let him who weeps over the death of his wife and >children, weep first for the death of [his] ego - 'I am the body' - >and attend to his own Self, then all his miseries will die >completely. > > > > > > > > 370 If you love others only for their bodies or their souls >[i.e. their egos], you will suffer from grief when their bodies die >and their souls depart. Therefore, in order to be free from such >grief, have true Love towards Self, which is the real Life of the >soul. > > > > > > > > Michael James: A person's soul is nothing but his ego, the >identification 'I am the body'. The true Life is Self, and not the >soul or ego. > >Namaste, > >If there were a real appearance of creation then it would not >disappear in deep sleep. It would not disappear on the dropping of >the body of a Mukta. > >There is no rope in the first place, there is only Nirguna. This is >not nihilist for Nirguna Brahman is accepted. > >We can accept the so called appearance to make progress, but many >cannot face the idea that the appearance isn't even there and never >happened. This is a fear, and is not really true non dualism. It is >a clinging to Saguna as the reality not admitting Nirguna, it is not >Ajata. It is a clinging to culture, religion, beliefs and ideas, >that make up the 'individual person'. It is a taking of the >teachings of the Sages and finding a level that one is comfortable >with and can fit them together, preserving one's individuality. > >There is no time ultimately, even science admits to this relative >phenonema. It has been even scientifically proven, that time can be >different to different people in different circumstances. So if >there is no time, what can unfold? So it can only be an illusion >that rises with our perception whilst we are in it. However as it >disappears in deep sleep and Moksha/Dropping of the body and >connection with Sakti, then it obviously never ever happened. > >For either we are 'God' or we are not. As there is only One, then >there cannot even be illusion or delusion. There never was a rope to >have illusions about.....there is only Nirguna..........S > > > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Dear Tony: For one who which to dispel the notion of time, and other aspects of Saguna, you sure do spend a lot of time doing it :-) Ulitmately, for me, to cut through it all, I say... don't know...don't care (Thank you Harshaji, for That One :-) Timeless Love, J Don't know...don't care. J > There is no time ultimately, even science admits to this relative > phenonema. It has been even scientifically proven, that time can be > different to different people in different circumstances. So if > there is no time, what can unfold? So it can only be an illusion > that rises with our perception whilst we are in it. However as it > disappears in deep sleep and Moksha/Dropping of the body and > connection with Sakti, then it obviously never ever happened. > > For either we are 'God' or we are not. As there is only One, then > there cannot even be illusion or delusion. There never was a rope to > have illusions about.....there is only Nirguna..........S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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