Guru Vachaka Kovai - Getting Rid of Miseries/saktidasa

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, "Yosy Flug" <yosyflug@i...>

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> saktidasa [saktidasa]

> Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:34 PM

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> Re: Guru Vachaka Kovai -

Getting

> Rid of Miseries

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> There is no

> point in hanging on to illusion and spiritual materialism of

> comfortable and or emotional beliefs.

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> so far so good.....

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> One should become stabilised

> in one level and then move on...........IMO....ONS.S.

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> but this is crap. what "one shuld"? what level? who moves?

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> obviously the self-deluded writer has only intelectual pretence

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> understanding...

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> yosy

 

Namaste,

 

"YUGAPAT-SRISHTI (INSTANTANEOUS IMAGINED CREATION): Sri Ramana

 

Q. How has srishti (creation) about? Some say it is predestined,

others say it is God's play (lila). What is the truth?

 

A. Various accounts are given in books. But is there creation (a

real transformation within space of any substance)? Only if there is

creation, do we have to explain how it came about. We may not know

about all these theories, but, we certainly know that we exist (are

aware of our existence). Why not know the `I', and then see if there

is a creation?

 

Q. Evolutionary creation is stated to suit the capacity of

beginners, but for the advanced non-creation is revealed. What is

your view?

 

A. There is no dissolution or creation, no one in bondage, nor

anyone pursuing spiritual practices. There is no one desiring

liberation, nor anyone liberated! This is absolute truth. One who is

established in the Self (consciousness) sees by his knowledge of

reality (consciousness).

 

Q. Is not the Self (consciousness, existence, being-ness) the cause

of this world we see around us?

 

A. The Self itself appears as the world of diverse names and forms.

However, the Self does not act as the efficient cause (nimitta

karana) - creating, sustaining and destroying the world appearance.

 

Q. You seem to be an exponent of ajata doctrine (instantaneous

imagined creation)?

 

A. I do not teach only the ajata doctrine. I approve of all schools.

The same truth has to be expressed in different ways to suit the

capacity of the hearer. The ajata doctrine (instant imagined

creation) says `Nothing exists except the one reality. There is no

birth, no death, no projection, or drawing in, no seeker, no

bondage, no liberation. The one unity alone exists.' "

 

So perhaps I should have picked my words differently, and used

Ramana's 'suit the capacity', the effect is the same. The teaching

is so simple it is not understood by those that like to pile

writings upon writings. Even for simplicity the mind has to

stabilise in different levels or capacities and then move on in Self

Enquiry and Sadhana...........OMS....Saktidasa