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Wednesday, November 24, 2004

3:01 AM

[ - Ramana

Guru] satsang

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dear

friends of the sangha, "satsang" as i understand it

means

'speaking the truth'. thus expressing honestly and directly

feelings and

points of view relating to the one inexpressible yet all

including

reality and it's unveiling. it is not the regular "i will

pretend to

believe your lies if you believe mine" company of mutual

admirers,

going under the name 'spiritual'. or is it?

truth is the

inner reality of excrement no less then of the most

exalted

flower - all is he! and true virtue fears not critique.

please

correct me if i am wrong...

in love

_()_

yosy

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Dear Yosy:

Kheylaji and Joyceji

have honestly expressed their views. Over the years, I have come to respect

their perception which tends to be straight and to the point. Tony has used the

Alias Shaktidas before and it predates moderation. Some of the old timers are

familiar with it and kept quiet. As soon as you felt that Shaktidas was Tony,

your reaction to him changed which is perhaps only natural given the past

interactions.

In relativity, truth is

multidimensional and multifaceted and what is seen to be true and false depends

on our psychological location. In order to discourage fights over “true

virtue” and the true “truth” the sangha has certain

guidelines regarding treating each other with mutual respect and amity. These

are not meant to discourage the expression of true virtue but are based on

common sense and an assumption that swearing and name calling are detrimental

to normal discourse. Perhaps we have to find a way to express our true virtue

in a way that matches the culture of the sangha.

Love to all

Harsha

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Harsha [harsha (AT) cox (DOT) net] Sent:

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:47 PMTo:

Subject: RE: [ - Ramana

Guru] satsang

yosyx [yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il] Wednesday, November

24, 2004 3:01 AMSubject:

satsang

dear friends of the sangha, "satsang" as i understand it means

'speaking the truth'. thus expressing honestly and directly feelings

and points of view relating to the one inexpressible yet all

including reality and it's unveiling. it is not the regular "i will

pretend to believe your lies if you believe mine" company of mutual

admirers, going under the name 'spiritual'. or is it?truth is the

inner reality of excrement no less then of the most exalted flower -

all is he! and true virtue fears not critique.please correct me if i

am wrong...in love_()_yosy***********************************

Dear Yosy:

Kheylaji and Joyceji have honestly expressed their views. Over the

years, I have come to respect their perception which tends to be

straight and to the point. Tony has used the Alias Shaktidas before

and it predates moderation. Some of the old timers are familiar with

it and kept quiet. As soon as you felt that Shaktidas was Tony, your

reaction to him changed which is perhaps only natural given the past

interactions.

In relativity, truth is multidimensional and multifaceted and what is

seen to be true and false depends on our psychological location. In

order to discourage fights over “true virtue” and the

true “truth” the sangha has certain guidelines regarding

treating each other with mutual respect and amity. These are not

meant to discourage the expression of true virtue but are based on

common sense and an assumption that swearing and name calling are

detrimental to normal discourse. Perhaps we have to find a way to

express our true virtue in a way that matches the culture of the

sangha.

Love to all

Harsha

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dear harsha, friend of a friend. i regret causing you (and any other

friends of the sangha) discomfort by my harsh words. (btw, my

reaction was to shaktidas words BEFORE i knew his identity as tony -

didn't think about it until reading antoine's post... then "i"

responded impulsively the way i did).

:) will do my best to avoid 'swearing and name calling', and my

apology to you again. i sincerely appreciate the good job you are

doing here and wouldn't want to cause anything detrimental to the

satsang's objective.

your friend in any case

in amity,

_()_

yosy

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Dear Yosy:

Thank you for your kind

words of healing. The guidelines of the Sangha apply to us all and all of us at

some time or another including my self have fallen short. No harm done if that

happens once in a while. In recent times, however, we have had to become firmer

with those members who consistently show disrespect to others. The point is

that if one does not appreciate the culture of a place, there is no need to be

in that place.

We believe in second

chances, however. There is a case of a long time member whom I greatly respect

but who has been moderated and even banned several times. His affinity with the

sangha and love for us is such that he keeps an alias or two in reserve. So

that’s life. Everyone is welcome here but certainly after some recent

events and hurt feelings of members, I have learned to act more quickly and

make judgment calls which hopefully are in the ball park somewhere. Anyway, the

number of Alias a member may have previously had is limited so I would ask all

members to respect the culture of the sangha.

Love to all

Harsha

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Yosy Flug

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Thursday, November 25, 2004

5:10 PM

RE: [ -

Ramana Guru] satsang

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dear harsha, friend of a

friend. i regret causing you (and any other friends of the

sangha) discomfort by my harsh words. (btw, my reaction was to shaktidas

words BEFORE i knew his identity as tony - didn't think about it until

reading antoine's post... then "i" responded impulsively the way

i did).

:) will do my best to

avoid 'swearing and name calling', and my apology to you again.

i sincerely appreciate the good job you are doing here and

wouldn't want to cause anything detrimental to the satsang's objective.

your friend in any case

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in amity,

_()_

yosy

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