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Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 , "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > dear Tony, > > Swami V. didn't want to bring any offence to his hosts, nobody ever > saw him eating eggs before. He was such a modest and considerate > person, and much loved, the person who told me the egg stories ended > it in tears and a choked voice with emotion after almost 30 years. > > As almost always you seem to minimize goodness, goodness, goodness in > a human being. Goodness, kindness, care, love for the neighbour. > > love to you friend > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > No doubt the Swami was aware that most eggs are unfertilised and > then > > > permissable under some systems to eat. Free Range and > unfertilised. > > > > > > I doubt that he would have kept it up over any long period > though. I > > > remember that Paramahamsa Yogananda told Gandhi that he could eat > > > unfertilised eggs, when Gandhi was recovering from one of his > fasts. > > > > > > I think I would have done the same as the Swami, if I was just > > > visiting but eating flesh is another thing altogether. It is as I > > > mentioned in my post on Sathya, the greatest evil etc. > > > > > > The surprising thing to me is that he would have devotees that > didn't > > > know the situation................ONS...Saktidas/Tony > > > > Namaste, > > > > Here are Venkatesananda's guru's teaching on the subject of > > vegetarianism etc. > > http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm > > > > ONS...Tony. Namaste V, You again misunderstand my point. Where did I say I mimimise anything? I explained a Hindu view on it that's all. This is because following the Hindu Dharma for 19 years, I understand in detail the working of that mind to a great extent. I don't think like a Westerner in this respect. I never minimise love for a neighbour of friend. If I have a persistant problem with the world it is that people don't treat their neighbour as themselves. However many keep their goodness and love for themselves and their own friends and people, whereas Jesus said 'Love thy neighbour as thyself'...even thy enemy. That means treat them equally in all things as well. Tat twam asi. This is what the Swami did. to understand Venkatesananda one only has to look to his Guru Sivananda...http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 >> >> Swami V. didn't want to bring any offence to his hosts, nobody ever >> saw him eating eggs before. He was such a modest and considerate >> person, and much loved, the person who told me the egg stories ended >> it in tears and a choked voice with emotion after almost 30 years. As to why Swami V. ate the eggs offered by his hosts, there could also be another reason more related to his vows of renunciation. Once when I was at Temple during the day working in the garden, an Indian woman came and got lunch for Swamiji, which is traditional. Swamiji called me in and that day the lunch happened to be a vegetarian hoagie from the local hoagie shop. Swamiji asked me if I had ever tasted one, which I had not, so he gave me a small slice of his to taste. After I picked out the onions, which I do not eat, and the olives, which I do not like, I took a bite or two. The dressing was very good, and I commented on it and asked what it was. The woman told me it was something with mayonaise in it. I blurted out that mayo contained eggs. "No it doesn't" they said. "Yes it does" I insisted, "unless it is fat free." After an uncomfortable moment of silence, Swamiji told me almost apologetically that he had to eat what was offered to him because of his vows of renunciation. I think I have heard of this in the Buddhist tradition as well. The woman gave me what I think was a dirty look, said... "It's too late now, what's done is done," and proceeded to finish off her hoagie, followed by a loud burp!!!. Oh, well :-) Love, Joyce >> >> As almost always you seem to minimize goodness, goodness, goodness in >> a human being. Goodness, kindness, care, love for the neighbour. >> >> love to you friend >> >> >> >> > > Namaste, >> > > >> > > No doubt the Swami was aware that most eggs are unfertilised and >> then >> > > permissable under some systems to eat. Free Range and >> unfertilised. >> > > >> > > I doubt that he would have kept it up over any long period >> though. I >> > > remember that Paramahamsa Yogananda told Gandhi that he could eat >> > > unfertilised eggs, when Gandhi was recovering from one of his >> fasts. >> > > >> > > I think I would have done the same as the Swami, if I was just >> > > visiting but eating flesh is another thing altogether. It is as I >> > > mentioned in my post on Sathya, the greatest evil etc. >> > > >> > > The surprising thing to me is that he would have devotees that >> didn't >> > > know the situation................ONS...Saktidas/>> > >> > Namaste, >> > >> > Here are Venkatesananda's guru's teaching on the subject of >> > vegetarianism etc. >> > http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm >> > >> > ONS...Tony. > > Namaste V, > > You again misunderstand my point. Where did I say I mimimise anything? > I explained a Hindu view on it that's all. This is because following > the Hindu Dharma for 19 years, I understand in detail the working of > that mind to a great extent. I don't think like a Westerner in this > respect. I never minimise love for a neighbour of friend. If I have a > persistant problem with the world it is that people don't treat their > neighbour as themselves. However many keep their goodness and love for > themselves and their own friends and people, whereas Jesus said 'Love > thy neighbour as thyself'...even thy enemy. That means treat them > equally in all things as well. Tat twam asi. This is what the Swami did. > > to understand Venkatesananda one only has to look to his Guru > Sivananda...http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Joyce, excuse me, but what is "Hoagie" Curiosity got the better of me. Love Chris On Dec 2, 2004, at 01:35, Lady Joyce wrote: > >> > >> Swami V. didn't want to bring any offence to his hosts, nobody ever > >> saw him eating eggs before. He was such a modest and considerate > >> person, and much loved, the person who told me the egg stories > ended > >> it in tears and a choked voice with emotion after almost 30 years. > > As to why Swami V. ate the eggs offered by his hosts, there could > also be another reason more related to his vows of renunciation. > Once when I was at Temple during the day working in the garden, an > Indian woman came and got lunch for Swamiji, which is traditional. > Swamiji called me in and that day the lunch happened to be a > vegetarian > hoagie from the local hoagie shop. Swamiji asked me if I had ever > tasted one, which I had not, so he gave me a small slice of his > to taste. > > After I picked out the onions, which I do not eat, and the olives, > which I do not like, I took a bite or two. > > The dressing was very good, and I commented on it and asked > what it was. The woman told me it was something with mayonaise > in it. I blurted out that mayo contained eggs. "No it doesn't" they > said. > "Yes it does" I insisted, "unless it is fat free." After an > uncomfortable > moment of silence, Swamiji told me almost apologetically that he > had to eat what was offered to him because of his vows of > renunciation. > I think I have heard of this in the Buddhist tradition as well. > The woman gave me what I think was a dirty look, said... > "It's too late now, what's done is done," and proceeded to > finish off her hoagie, followed by a loud burp!!!. Oh, well :-) > > > Love, > > Joyce > > > > >> > >> As almost always you seem to minimize goodness, goodness, goodness > in > >> a human being. Goodness, kindness, care, love for the neighbour. > >> > >> love to you friend > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Namaste, > >> > > > >> > > No doubt the Swami was aware that most eggs are unfertilised > and > >> then > >> > > permissable under some systems to eat. Free Range and > >> unfertilised. > >> > > > >> > > I doubt that he would have kept it up over any long period > >> though. I > >> > > remember that Paramahamsa Yogananda told Gandhi that he could > eat > >> > > unfertilised eggs, when Gandhi was recovering from one of his > >> fasts. > >> > > > >> > > I think I would have done the same as the Swami, if I was just > >> > > visiting but eating flesh is another thing altogether. It is > as I > >> > > mentioned in my post on Sathya, the greatest evil etc. > >> > > > >> > > The surprising thing to me is that he would have devotees that > >> didn't > >> > > know the situation................ONS...Saktidas/> >> > > >> > Namaste, > >> > > >> > Here are Venkatesananda's guru's teaching on the subject of > >> > vegetarianism etc. > >> > http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm > >> > > >> > ONS...Tony. > > > > Namaste V, > > > > You again misunderstand my point. Where did I say I mimimise > anything? > > I explained a Hindu view on it that's all. This is because following > > the Hindu Dharma for 19 years, I understand in detail the working of > > that mind to a great extent. I don't think like a Westerner in this > > respect. I never minimise love for a neighbour of friend. If I > have a > > persistant problem with the world it is that people don't treat > their > > neighbour as themselves. However many keep their goodness and love > for > > themselves and their own friends and people, whereas Jesus said > 'Love > > thy neighbour as thyself'...even thy enemy. That means treat them > > equally in all things as well. Tat twam asi. This is what the Swami > did. > > > > to understand Venkatesananda one only has to look to his Guru > > Sivananda...http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > Sponsor > > > <lrec_scuba_082004.jpg> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Chris: A loaded question, no doubt :-) It is basically a long crusty roll (see below) loaded with the dead flesh of different animals, mostly cows and pigs, and other things. A vegetarian hoagie is loaded with veggies and other things. It may be an American phenomenon. For a visual... http://www.leeshoagiehouse.com/ hoa·gie also hoa·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hg)n. Chiefly Pennsylvania & New Jersey pl. hoa·gies See submarine. See Regional Note at submarine. hoagie n : a large sandwich made of a long crusty roll split lengthwise and filled with meats and cheese (and tomato and onion and lettuce and condiments); different names are used in different sections of the United States [syn: bomber, grinder, hero, hero sandwich, hoagy, Cuban sandwich, Italian sandwich, poor boy, sub, submarine, submarine sandwich, torpedo, wedge, zep] Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University Sorry, Harshaji, but she asked. Love, Joyce - christiane cameron Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:39 AM Re: Re: Right and appropriate conduct. Dear Joyce,excuse me, but what is "Hoagie"Curiosity got the better of me.Love ChrisOn Dec 2, 2004, at 01:35, Lady Joyce wrote: >> >> Swami V. didn't want to bring any offence to his hosts, nobody ever>> saw him eating eggs before. He was such a modest and considerate>> person, and much loved, the person who told me the egg stories ended >> it in tears and a choked voice with emotion after almost 30 years. As to why Swami V. ate the eggs offered by his hosts, there couldalso be another reason more related to his vows of renunciation.Once when I was at Temple during the day working in the garden, anIndian woman came and got lunch for Swamiji, which is traditional.Swamiji called me in and that day the lunch happened to be a vegetarianhoagie from the local hoagie shop. Swamiji asked me if I had evertasted one, which I had not, so he gave me a small slice of histo taste.After I picked out the onions, which I do not eat, and the olives,which I do not like, I took a bite or two.The dressing was very good, and I commented on it and askedwhat it was. The woman told me it was something with mayonaisein it. I blurted out that mayo contained eggs. "No it doesn't" they said."Yes it does" I insisted, "unless it is fat free." After an uncomfortablemoment of silence, Swamiji told me almost apologetically that hehad to eat what was offered to him because of his vows of renunciation. I think I have heard of this in the Buddhist tradition as well. The woman gave me what I think was a dirty look, said..."It's too late now, what's done is done," and proceeded tofinish off her hoagie, followed by a loud burp!!!. Oh, well :-)Love,Joyce>> >> As almost always you seem to minimize goodness, goodness, goodness in>> a human being. Goodness, kindness, care, love for the neighbour.>> >> love to you friend>> >> >> >> > > Namaste,>> > > >> > > No doubt the Swami was aware that most eggs are unfertilised and >> then>> > > permissable under some systems to eat. Free Range and >> unfertilised.>> > > >> > > I doubt that he would have kept it up over any long period >> though. I>> > > remember that Paramahamsa Yogananda told Gandhi that he could eat>> > > unfertilised eggs, when Gandhi was recovering from one of his >> fasts.>> > > >> > > I think I would have done the same as the Swami, if I was just>> > > visiting but eating flesh is another thing altogether. It is as I>> > > mentioned in my post on Sathya, the greatest evil etc.>> > > >> > > The surprising thing to me is that he would have devotees that >> didn't>> > > know the situation................ONS...Saktidas/Tony>> > >> > Namaste,>> > >> > Here are Venkatesananda's guru's teaching on the subject of>> > vegetarianism etc.>> > http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htmcolor>>> > >> > ONS...Tony.> > Namaste V,> > You again misunderstand my point. Where did I say I mimimise anything?> I explained a Hindu view on it that's all. This is because following> the Hindu Dharma for 19 years, I understand in detail the working of> that mind to a great extent. I don't think like a Westerner in this> respect. I never minimise love for a neighbour of friend. If I have a> persistant problem with the world it is that people don't treat their> neighbour as themselves. However many keep their goodness and love for> themselves and their own friends and people, whereas Jesus said 'Love> thy neighbour as thyself'...even thy enemy. That means treat them> equally in all things as well. Tat twam asi. This is what the Swami did.> > to understand Venkatesananda one only has to look to his Guru> Sivananda...http:/www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htmcolor>http://joincolor> http:/www..comcolor>"Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Sponsorsmaller>color>x-tad-smaller>smaller>fontfamily> <lrec_scuba_082004.jpg><l.gif> Linkssmaller>• To visit your group on the web, go to:http://color> • To from this group, send an email to:color> • Your use of is subject to the Terms of Servicecolor>.Monsoonhouse Int.KovalamKeralacontact: christianecameron (AT) mac (DOT) com Attachment: (image/jpeg) pron.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) omacr.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) prime.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) emacr.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Joyce, wow, some sandwich. I am sure it needs a special technique to eat it with dignity. Ours are definitely smaller. Thanks for enlightening me. c. On Dec 2, 2004, at 18:03, Lady Joyce wrote: > Dear Chris: > > A loaded question, no doubt :-) > It is basically a long crusty roll (see below) loaded with the > dead flesh of different animals, mostly cows and pigs, and other > things. > A vegetarian hoagie is loaded with veggies and other things. > It may be an American phenomenon. > > For a visual... > > http://www.leeshoagiehouse.com/ > > hoa·gie also hoa·gy <pron.jpg> P Pronunciation > Key (h<omacr.gif><prime.gif>g<emacr.gif>) > n. Chiefly Pennsylvania & New Jersey pl. hoa·gies > See submarine. See Regional Note at submarine. > > hoagie > > n : a large sandwich made of a long crusty roll split lengthwise and > filled with meats and cheese (and tomato and onion and lettuce and > condiments); different names are used in different sections of the > United States [syn: bomber, grinder, hero, hero sandwich, hoagy, Cuban > sandwich, Italian sandwich, poor boy, sub, submarine, submarine > sandwich, torpedo, wedge, zep] > > > > Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University > > > Sorry, Harshaji, but she asked. > > Love, > > Joyce > > > > - > christiane cameron > > Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:39 AM > Re: Re: Right and appropriate > conduct. > > Dear Joyce, > > excuse me, but what is "Hoagie" > > Curiosity got the better of me. > > Love Chris > > > On Dec 2, 2004, at 01:35, Lady Joyce wrote: > > > >> > >> Swami V. didn't want to bring any offence to his hosts, nobody ever > >> saw him eating eggs before. He was such a modest and considerate > >> person, and much loved, the person who told me the egg stories ended > >> it in tears and a choked voice with emotion after almost 30 years. > > As to why Swami V. ate the eggs offered by his hosts, there could > also be another reason more related to his vows of renunciation. > Once when I was at Temple during the day working in the garden, an > Indian woman came and got lunch for Swamiji, which is traditional. > Swamiji called me in and that day the lunch happened to be a vegetarian > hoagie from the local hoagie shop. Swamiji asked me if I had ever > tasted one, which I had not, so he gave me a small slice of his > to taste. > > After I picked out the onions, which I do not eat, and the olives, > which I do not like, I took a bite or two. > > The dressing was very good, and I commented on it and asked > what it was. The woman told me it was something with mayonaise > in it. I blurted out that mayo contained eggs. "No it doesn't" they > said. > "Yes it does" I insisted, "unless it is fat free." After an > uncomfortable > moment of silence, Swamiji told me almost apologetically that he > had to eat what was offered to him because of his vows of > renunciation. > I think I have heard of this in the Buddhist tradition as well. > The woman gave me what I think was a dirty look, said... > "It's too late now, what's done is done," and proceeded to > finish off her hoagie, followed by a loud burp!!!. Oh, well :-) > > > Love, > > Joyce > > > > >> > >> As almost always you seem to minimize goodness, goodness, goodness > in > >> a human being. Goodness, kindness, care, love for the neighbour. > >> > >> love to you friend > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Namaste, > >> > > > >> > > No doubt the Swami was aware that most eggs are unfertilised > and > >> then > >> > > permissable under some systems to eat. Free Range and > >> unfertilised. > >> > > > >> > > I doubt that he would have kept it up over any long period > >> though. I > >> > > remember that Paramahamsa Yogananda told Gandhi that he could > eat > >> > > unfertilised eggs, when Gandhi was recovering from one of his > >> fasts. > >> > > > >> > > I think I would have done the same as the Swami, if I was just > >> > > visiting but eating flesh is another thing altogether. It is as > I > >> > > mentioned in my post on Sathya, the greatest evil etc. > >> > > > >> > > The surprising thing to me is that he would have devotees that > >> didn't > >> > > know the situation................ONS...Saktidas/> >> > > >> > Namaste, > >> > > >> > Here are Venkatesananda's guru's teaching on the subject of > >> > vegetarianism etc. > >> > http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm > >> > > >> > ONS...Tony. > > > > Namaste V, > > > > You again misunderstand my point. Where did I say I mimimise > anything? > > I explained a Hindu view on it that's all. This is because following > > the Hindu Dharma for 19 years, I understand in detail the working of > > that mind to a great extent. I don't think like a Westerner in this > > respect. I never minimise love for a neighbour of friend. If I have > a > > persistant problem with the world it is that people don't treat their > > neighbour as themselves. However many keep their goodness and love > for > > themselves and their own friends and people, whereas Jesus said 'Love > > thy neighbour as thyself'...even thy enemy. That means treat them > > equally in all things as well. Tat twam asi. This is what the Swami > did. > > > > to understand Venkatesananda one only has to look to his Guru > > Sivananda...http://www.dlshq.org/messages/vege.htm > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > Sponsor > > > > <lrec_scuba_082004.jpg> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • > > > Monsoonhouse Int. > Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > Sponsor > > > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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