Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 What came first- the "I" or the egg. )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 ....that is here the question, but at least we can say that both of them were there before the "discussion" ;-) Cheers Martin p.s.: my native language is German, where "egg" is named "Ei" whichs sounds exactly like... guess what ? : "I" , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> wrote: > > > > What came first- the "I" or the egg. > )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> wrote: > > > > What came first- the "I" or the egg. > )))))Shawn Namaste S, There never was an I or an egg...........ONS...Tony. Now in illusion there is Hiranyagarbha or the Cosmic Egg, don't get that on your face.............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 , "gral_im_tee" <gral_im_tee> wrote: > > ...that is here the question, > but at least we can say that both of them > were there before the "discussion" ;-) > > Cheers > > Martin > > p.s.: my native language is German, where "egg" is named "Ei" > whichs sounds exactly like... guess what ? : "I" > > tsk tsk... ayayay > , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > What came first- the "I" or the egg. > > )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Namaste' Is there an illusion independent from the mind that created it? Which came first the question or the answer? Love and Gratitude, James , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > What came first- the "I" or the egg. > > )))))Shawn > > Namaste S, > > There never was an I or an egg...........ONS...Tony. > Now in illusion there is Hiranyagarbha or the Cosmic Egg, don't get > that on your face.............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 , "James Traverse" <nisarga111> wrote: > > Namaste' > > Is there an illusion independent from the mind that created it? > > Which came first the question or the answer? > > Love and Gratitude, > James Namaste j There is no illusion or mind.....ONS..Saktidas/Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Hi Tony, Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind. Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together. Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing that is! It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love Consciousness. Love and Gratitude, James , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > , "James Traverse" > <nisarga111> wrote: > > > > Namaste' > > > > Is there an illusion independent from the mind that created it? > > > > Which came first the question or the answer? > > > > Love and Gratitude, > > James > > Namaste j > There is no illusion or mind.....ONS..Saktidas/Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 , "James Traverse" <nisarga111> wrote: > > > Hi Tony, > > Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind. > > Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together. > Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship > is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing > that is! > > It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living > Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the > unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love > Consciousness. > > Love and Gratitude, > James Namaste J, What you are describing is an intermediate stage of dvaita approaching advaita. Check this out. Many posts are here on this subject. http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Ajatavada.htm ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: "James Traverse" > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind. > > > > Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together. > > Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship > > is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing > > that is! > > > > It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living > > Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the > > unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love > > Consciousness. > > > > Love and Gratitude, > > James > Namaste J, > > What you are describing is an intermediate stage of dvaita approaching > advaita. > --what James wrote has nothing to do with levels, or stages the 'stages' are held by ego Era > Check this out. Many posts are here on this subject. > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Ajatavada.htm > > ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Thank You Tony, To me the idea of 'stages' is akin to your warnings of 'illusion'... What I do find helpful is what I call Meditative Consciousness where mental noise is allowed to subside... thus there is no reaction or labeling as 'stages' , 'illusion' and yet Consciousness is not lost... there is Silence that is there for no reason whatsoever - this Silence is not a construction of the mind - hence it is not broken by sound. Love and Gratitude, James silence speaks volumes without uttering a word nothing is unsaid nothing is in place substance of infinite space nothing out of place movement in stillness timeless lovers copulate stillness in movement , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > , "James Traverse" > <nisarga111> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind. > > > > Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together. > > Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship > > is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing > > that is! > > > > It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living > > Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the > > unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love > > Consciousness. > > > > Love and Gratitude, > > James > Namaste J, > > What you are describing is an intermediate stage of dvaita approaching > advaita. > > Check this out. Many posts are here on this subject. > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Ajatavada.htm > > ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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