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....that is here the question,

but at least we can say that both of them

were there before the "discussion" ;-)

 

Cheers

 

Martin

 

p.s.: my native language is German, where "egg" is named "Ei"

whichs sounds exactly like... guess what ? : "I"

 

 

, "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...>

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> What came first- the "I" or the egg.

> )))))Shawn

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, "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> wrote:

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> What came first- the "I" or the egg.

> )))))Shawn

 

Namaste S,

 

There never was an I or an egg...........ONS...Tony.

Now in illusion there is Hiranyagarbha or the Cosmic Egg, don't get

that on your face.............ONS..Tony.

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, "gral_im_tee"

<gral_im_tee> wrote:

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> ...that is here the question,

> but at least we can say that both of them

> were there before the "discussion" ;-)

>

> Cheers

>

> Martin

>

> p.s.: my native language is German, where "egg" is named "Ei"

> whichs sounds exactly like... guess what ? : "I"

>

>

 

:) tsk tsk... ayayay

 

> , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > What came first- the "I" or the egg.

> > )))))Shawn

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Namaste'

 

Is there an illusion independent from the mind that created it?

 

Which came first the question or the answer?

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

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> , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > What came first- the "I" or the egg.

> > )))))Shawn

>

> Namaste S,

>

> There never was an I or an egg...........ONS...Tony.

> Now in illusion there is Hiranyagarbha or the Cosmic Egg, don't get

> that on your face.............ONS..Tony.

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, "James Traverse"

<nisarga111> wrote:

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> Namaste'

>

> Is there an illusion independent from the mind that created it?

>

> Which came first the question or the answer?

>

> Love and Gratitude,

> James

 

Namaste j

There is no illusion or mind.....ONS..Saktidas/Tony

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Hi Tony,

 

Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind.

 

Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together.

Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship

is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing

that is!

 

It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living

Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the

unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love

Consciousness.

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

 

 

, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

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> , "James Traverse"

> <nisarga111> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste'

> >

> > Is there an illusion independent from the mind that created it?

> >

> > Which came first the question or the answer?

> >

> > Love and Gratitude,

> > James

>

> Namaste j

> There is no illusion or mind.....ONS..Saktidas/Tony

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, "James Traverse"

<nisarga111> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Tony,

>

> Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind.

>

> Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together.

> Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship

> is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing

> that is!

>

> It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living

> Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the

> unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love

> Consciousness.

>

> Love and Gratitude,

> James

Namaste J,

 

What you are describing is an intermediate stage of dvaita approaching

advaita.

 

Check this out. Many posts are here on this subject.

http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Ajatavada.htm

 

ONS...Tony.

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"saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote:

"James Traverse"

> >

> > Hi Tony,

> >

> > Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind.

> >

> > Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall together.

> > Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living Relationship

> > is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the Nothing

> > that is!

> >

> > It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living

> > Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the

> > unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love

> > Consciousness.

> >

> > Love and Gratitude,

> > James

> Namaste J,

>

> What you are describing is an intermediate stage of dvaita approaching

> advaita.

>

 

 

 

--what James wrote has nothing to

do with levels, or stages

 

the 'stages' are held by ego

 

Era

 

 

> Check this out. Many posts are here on this subject.

> http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Ajatavada.htm

>

> ONS...Tony.

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Thank You Tony,

 

To me the idea of 'stages' is akin to your warnings of 'illusion'...

 

What I do find helpful is what I call Meditative Consciousness where

mental noise is allowed to subside... thus there is no reaction or

labeling as 'stages' , 'illusion' and yet Consciousness is not

lost... there is Silence that is there for no reason whatsoever -

this Silence is not a construction of the mind - hence it is not

broken by sound.

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

silence speaks volumes

without uttering a word

nothing is unsaid

 

 

nothing is in place

substance of infinite space

nothing out of place

 

 

movement in stillness

timeless lovers copulate

stillness in movement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

>

> , "James Traverse"

> <nisarga111> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi Tony,

> >

> > Yes there is no illusion OR mind - there is illusion AND mind.

> >

> > Mind and Illusion are inter-dependent; they arise and fall

together.

> > Separately they have no meaning. Together their Living

Relationship

> > is the Substance of the Nothing that is not there and the

Nothing

> > that is!

> >

> > It cannot be objectified because its substance is a Living

> > Substance - it is current as the current moment and it is the

> > unfolding current of UniVersal Being... some folks call it Love

> > Consciousness.

> >

> > Love and Gratitude,

> > James

> Namaste J,

>

> What you are describing is an intermediate stage of dvaita

approaching

> advaita.

>

> Check this out. Many posts are here on this subject.

> http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Ajatavada.htm

>

> ONS...Tony.

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